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I speak swiss german (zuerich and know st gallen ) whaie ,zuerich ,fladde , st galle is Pie in english .This is the most important thing one has to know
there is no English translation for wähe, it is impossible to describe without the use of multiple adjectives. oh, and tomorrow is wähetag!!!

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there is no English translation for wähe, it is impossible to describe without the use of multiple adjectives. oh, and tomorrow is wähetag!!!

Gee you more swiss then I. My Friday menu is Sausage rolls , but not from Detroit
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Gee you more swiss then I. My Friday menu is Sausage rolls , but not from Detroit
I would kill for a Hamtramck kielbasa and a Stroh's tomorrow.
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Well does this help
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Thank you.
It looks really interesting, I will feed my cell with it tonight.
They are wonderful - the team are great at explaining an opinion, regardless of how deeply it resonates (I don't agree with all, but I just love watching the doodling). Try smile or die - that's thought provoking about American culture.


Separately, if you don't know the series already - check out TED Talks.

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I think to some extent you have to consciously block your mother tongue polluting your mind, since you are trying to absorb a new language. It does not mean losing one's identity, it's a fun challenge.
I've been thinking about this, in the context of communicating well with as many people in the world as possible. I often sit through presentations and receive emails that are completely biased to 1 part of the world (where the originator is based), and negligent to all others (even in simple ways like date format, although not only this). Somehow, we need to strip back the unhelpful turns of phrases, the “corporate speak”, and, yet, still need to have something charming and engaging that enchants the audience in a personal way from the originator. There’s a lot to be said for speaking in simple language that most people understand, but also something blissful in hearing a word that captivates for the first time, and holding it in your thoughts.


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Another moment was..how engaged should one be, as a person. One prof who was working with immigrants in CA told me, years ago, that all teachers are automatically activists. Campaigners. A friend recently told me the same thing, though he is not a teacher, but gets socially involved heavy duty in all sorts of pressing issues. I have had troubles accepting the genuine motivation of all this, since I think people are driven by egotistic needs. But when you think about it, isn't it irrelevant how we get to the social changes, as long as we get there? So, maybe the ego pleasing stands are ok..I always felt that that kind of exposure is done out of vanity. And, back to language, it is often just rhetorics. Just a way to verbally present oneself. I am starting to see more logic in this, bravery..I think it does depend on what kind of language one choose to broadcasts one's ideas.

Did you read some of the recent news, on how modern life is changing the structure of the human brain significantly (especially memory), because we have such a dependency on technology and medicine as crutches?
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Well does this help
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Try smile or die - that's thought provoking about American culture.
I have the Smile or Die book, the skepticism is needed, but not overly the other way, though. If all one is able to do is bounce from one extreme to another, it gets tiring. I think a decent amount of critical thinking will still allow you to be positive and upbeat about a lot of things, it's not contradictory. But any preprogrammed way, be it negative or positive, as opposed to a genuine reaction to something that one is faced with, is not a solution. Aren't most of us set up to be critical when there is cash, ego or prestige involved, anyways.

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I've been thinking about this, in the context of communicating well with as many people in the world as possible. I often sit through presentations and receive emails that are completely biased to 1 part of the world (where the originator is based), and negligent to all others (even in simple ways like date format, although not only this). Somehow, we need to strip back the unhelpful turns of phrases, the “corporate speak”, and, yet, still need to have something charming and engaging that enchants the audience in a personal way from the originator. There’s a lot to be said for speaking in simple language that most people understand, but also something blissful in hearing a word that captivates for the first time, and holding it in your thoughts.
True. Corporate speak is trendy, it does enable some to relate, though, like any exquisite language groups. People use power speak the same way, as power dressing. What enchants the audience is probably being genuine, value of thoughts, substance and being able to deliver it in an appealing way. Can one be original and intriguing even when using corporate lingo? It's about how much of yourself you put in it, and for that one has to be a little bit disobedient to the obligation to use cliches.

There are groups of people, who downplay themselves, as oppose to make themselves feel more important using higher status corporate speak, for example. Just watch a group of moms with young babies, the way their language changes. In order to fit in their momzilla group, they simplify their talk, start using new code words (baby talk, even when they are talking to eachother, and even if they are well educated professional beings and well in their 30s). It's strange and interesting.

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I wonder if it is our brain actually changing, or our ability to record these changes that's improving. Maybe it has been here for a long but it is only recently noticed? Well, degenerative changes are part of aging, hard to say what's to be blamed on technology and what is regular and relatively normal dementia. I think we are not getting lazy with thinking. I think we are getting seriously abused by modern flood of stress and anxieties.
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Sissi, as the Austrian royal lady? I forgot who played her...Rommy Schneider?
Yep she's the one. No wonder my German is mixed up, those films were some of my earliest German lessons.

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Yep she's the one. No wonder my German is mixed up, those films were some of my earliest German lessons.
I never thought about watching it in original version, do you have any ideas what to watch in French, though? Sissi was awesome, it was the actress, though, that was real Sissi.

I watched Un Homme et Une Femme, a classic, to get my first French exposure, amazing, and the footage of driving made me hooked on cars. I never though when watching it as a teen, I will one day actually speak French..
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I don't speak french.
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I read a few days ago

"Language is power and those who suffer from injustice most are the least able to articulate their suffering.." (Rich,On Lies, Secrets and Silences).

Critical Literacy makes me think. I do have a pretty constant circle of friends with whom we debate over activism, involvement, campaigning, resistance, social responsibility and ethics..

It's not easy to get rid of certain amount of skepticism, especially if one has a different experience with regime and counterculture. On one hand one grows into being realistic and skeptical but the ideals one lost a decade ago, one finds again, just a little more refined, more dimensional, shifted elsewhere..Linguistics that is conscious of social development makes a lot more sense than boring pedantism of the usual academic rhetorics, usually context free, prescriptive and purist nonsense, people coining whatever they can.

There is no neutral language. Every single word we use is contaminated by our intentions. To reach a consensus is really impossible, it really only means learning to embrace diversity.
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This makes me chuckle..I wonder when mistakes become stereotypical enough to define one's idiolect. And then group's, etc. People getting all hung up on accuracy and proper this and that, missing out on the message. BS correctly spelled or pronounced will always be BS.
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There are several kinds of Linguists. There are linguists who compare languages within a specific group of languages, such as the Germanic family of languages or the Italic family of languages. This field is called Comparative Linguistics. There are also Linguists who study languages from a historical point of view, comparing how languages grow, change, and evolve over time. This field is called Historical Linguistics. Then there are the linguists who are not attached to any group of languages. They call themselves Pure Linguists. Other linguists don't particularly like pure linguists because it seems that they don't really have anything to offer the field of Linguistics. They are the ones who like to use words that no one else can understand. They revel in the fact that they can say something that no one else understands. They like to mock and condemn other linguists, and especially non-linguists for being so stupid and uneducated. I don't think you would like the pure linguists, but I do think you would like the Germanic linguists or the Indo-European linguists, for example.
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I don't like linguists. I like bird watchers and fishermen. Those tend to be less pedantic.

Ok.I was gonna post on abstraction processes in conceptualisation and consequent perception stereotypes, but I will wait for Faltrad to visit. I am busy bird watchin', saw a fab strnad, whatever the English word is. Magpies, however, are worthless, just slightly prettier versions of pigeons.

How wonderfully empty this OT space will be for all the amazing musings of curious minds.. Wonderful news. OT, here we come!

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There are several kinds of Linguists. There are linguists who compare languages within a specific group of languages, such as the Germanic family of languages or the Italic family of languages. This field is called Comparative Linguistics. There are also Linguists who study languages from a historical point of view, comparing how languages grow, change, and evolve over time. This field is called Historical Linguistics. Then there are the linguists who are not attached to any group of languages. They call themselves Pure Linguists. Other linguists don't particularly like pure linguists because it seems that they don't really have anything to offer the field of Linguistics. They are the ones who like to use words that no one else can understand. They revel in the fact that they can say something that no one else understands. They like to mock and condemn other linguists, and especially non-linguists for being so stupid and uneducated. I don't think you would like the pure linguists, but I do think you would like the Germanic linguists or the Indo-European linguists, for example.


....diachronic linguistics ?

I didn't know that there so much excitement in linguistics

What defines "pure linguists" ?


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I don't like linguists. I like bird watchers and fishermen. Those tend to be less pedantic.

I prefer poets of long ago
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What defines "pure linguists" ?

We do believe the impertinent fellow is referring to us!
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Oh no MC oh no.... banned to OT
Should stay in "languages"


If we speak of Chomsky will you put it back ?
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It was started in OT, why move it? Info and all the other pseudoscientific fluff readily searchable

Why have OT then if people are so adamant about avoiding it. It's a funny two sided logic.

Chomsky lost it on commie theories.
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Ok.I was gonna post on abstraction processes in conceptualisation and consequent perception stereotypes, but I will wait for Faltrad to visit.
Why would you want to wait for me?
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@Faltrad, that was said in a very nice way.
Your posts on language and linguistics are informative, interesting and helpful.
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