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Re: On Linguistics

This is quite interesting..kinda relates what I posted above a few months back. On too much brainpower linked to language acquisition. Sometimes the most cerebrally efficient thing to do is not try to actively use cognitive skills.

http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/tryin...-language-0721
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Re: On Linguistics

Totally agree- very interesting article, thanks.
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Old 28.05.2015, 14:46
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Re: On Linguistics

Hmmmm.... Mansplaining.

Leftsplaining?

What is it going to be next?

One tries to use words as somewhat more or less successful meta vehicles to actually explain attitudes, independently of the attitudes themselves. I guess not, though, -splaining attached to a morpheme acts in an interesting way.

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Re: On Linguistics

Languages have societal mores ingrained in them, but as these mores change overtime, the language has to change, too, to reflect the new thinking. Some people/countries are better at addressing them, all the while making other languages aware of their shortcomings, and sometimes "the errors" tend to be overcorrected. We need these non-etymological-purist folk because they have no qualms in overcoming the language constraints, while the purists are too concerned about looking ridiculous if they make up funny-sounding neologisms. So, while Intelligentsia is asleep or sitting on the fence, we get words like momager (vs manager) and mompreneur (overkill of entrepreneur), manslaping (vs bitchslapping, as asshole-slapping would be completely BDMS).

For example, when is this German "man" going to be replaced with an inclusive sounding word, like the English "one" that does't bring to mind "Mann"? How about the already used example of a woman where she is born a "das", and only when she grows up she becomes a "sie", but a boy is "der" as soon as he is born. I choose to say human-made, and not man-made, and whenever possible, I avoid implied discriminatory talk (sexist or other).

Oh, when are our contemporary cunning linguists going to tackle the today's neologistic vernacular?
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Old 28.05.2015, 17:10
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Languages have societal mores ingrained in them, but as these mores change overtime, the language has to change, too, to reflect the new thinking. Some people/countries are better at addressing them, all the while making other languages aware of their shortcomings, and sometimes "the errors" tend to be overcorrected. We need these non-etymological-purist folk because they have no qualms in overcoming the language constraints, while the purists are too concerned about looking ridiculous if they make up funny-sounding neologisms. So, while Intelligentsia is asleep or sitting on the fence, we get words like momager (vs manager) and mompreneur (overkill of entrepreneur), manslaping (vs bitchslapping, as asshole-slapping would be completely BDMS).

For example, when is this German "man" going to be replaced with an inclusive sounding word, like the English "one" that does't bring to mind "Mann"? How about the already used example of a woman where she is born a "das", and only when she grows up she becomes a "sie", but a boy is "der" as soon as he is born. I choose to say human-made, and not man-made, and whenever possible, I avoid implied discriminatory talk (sexist or other).

Oh, when are our contemporary cunning linguists going to tackle the today's neologistic vernacular?

Not a fan of the woman huh!
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Re: On Linguistics

I think over-corrective neologisms, or even neutralizing ones, are in fact not helping equality, they seem to address the issue from a pretty cosmetic point of view, but I give them credit for being didactic.

I find mansplaining discriminatory. Some kind of payback?

Isn't new thinking about going forward, instead of fighting back? Man-made does not disturb me. Neither does Mann. But maybe it is because I grew up in a mother tongue using "human" instead of a "man" for centuries (but adding -ova at the end of a female last name and women just shrugging it off, really), messing up with grammatical genders not corresponding to the real genders, at most cases. I do not think we are going to be fighting for the change of the syntactic accord, any time soon, either. It is actually really complicated as it is, and we have been getting used to the masculine gender dictating accord in plurals, for a few centuries.

I think I am more prone to accept somebody talking to me in an old code, albeit a tad gender biased, but expressing actual new content that is innovative. It is faster to not be biased, but accept a bit of linguistic anachronistic poetry, than trying to change the linguistic bias itself, ostentatiously. It attracts too much attention to the code on the account of the content. Maybe.
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