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Don't start off your post a lie. Plus, his point was more that this is really meant for Q and A topics, not an in depth discussion into the art/science of the study of linguistics. Why not start a new thread? In reality, your conversation is pretty interesting and could stand being in its own thread.
I think it is a good idea. Science and arts mix very well, in fact both approaches to seeing things need eachother, but I will split the thread later to get more space for language oriented discourse.

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Yea, it's right, I've just corrected your English.
Noooo, let's not impede communication in here.. You only do it to people who you disagree with, hahahah. Ya know, Jewish will argue with you if they consider you worthy the discourse, or at least that's what I am familiar with back home.

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Why do some scientists insist on using big words, when little words will do? I’ve seen Psychology papers where the researchers say things like: “Cognate with the dichotomy is … “ instead of simply “The split is related to …”

It seems to be a two-edged sword. On one hand, using specific technical jargon makes the meaning quite clear. However, using less common words makes the paper less understandable and slower to digest and potentially less likely to be referenced by other papers, simply because search engine queries are more likely to be for “split” rather than “dichotomy”.
I agree. If you think about it differently, though, some papers are obligated to use the very specific terminology, it's part of the requirements for the discourse. School papers also get marked higher if you move the vocab to terminology, the students show they did their homework and familiarize themselves with the particulars. I wonder if also because perfect synonyms between layman lingo and specific terms do not really exist (specific terms usually come from coined territory of a specific scientist before it becomes a common term that can be loaned to different sci fields).

Terms do not really pretend, but maybe "split" has a connotation of something that use to be intact before (ie to separate something whole into 2 parts), while dichotomy does not necessarily have to relate to something that used to be intact.

I do like getting myself versed in terms, but only to get my head work, really. On the other hand, I think big words do not mean more than little or common words. Depends what people use them for. Deep thoughts or truths usually come with zero packaging, don't they.
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Discussion on linguistics split from the Ask the Scientist thread.


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Old 29.03.2013, 21:13
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Re: On Linguistics

Is this a thread for linguists to argue and for people to disagree about who knows what about which languages? Is it going to be a Faltrad and MishiMishi head to head with MC MC'ing?

If so, for the first time ever.....can somebody show me how to ignore a thread? And the whining PMs about rep and groans which will surely follow as sure as beta follows theta?
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Old 29.03.2013, 21:33
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Is this a thread for linguists to argue and for people to disagree about who knows what about which languages? Is it going to be a Faltrad and MishiMishi head to head with MC MC'ing?
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Excellent news, then I shall stay tuned.
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Old 29.03.2013, 22:01
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Is this a thread for linguists to argue and for people to disagree about who knows what about which languages? Is it going to be a Faltrad and MishiMishi head to head with MC MC'ing?

If so, for the first time ever.....can somebody show me how to ignore a thread? And the whining PMs about rep and groans which will surely follow as sure as beta follows theta?
i wouldn't worry too much about who knows what. i don't worry about that. in the end linguistics has nothing to do with correct or not correct. rather like many sciences- taking data and assessing it. a good linguist (not, mind you a teacher of language- not at all the same thing) will set about to describe what you do to communicate (be it semantically, phonetically, etc) a thought, idea, etc. not what you should do.

in terms of jargon and all that. like any field, there will be terms used to describe things- banking has it, IT has it, construction has it, etc. may seem a bit much- but of course it is specific to the field. technical jargon has a place within technical discourse.
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Old 29.03.2013, 22:04
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Excellent news, then I shall stay tuned.
Good

Linguistics is a really broad field. I don't really know anyone who call themselves a linguist, by the way. Besides I don't like labels, they mislead, meh. Who would want to be reduced to a linguist, a rock star, a mod, a chef, stitchbitcher

I think that last word does not exist.

Now, what status do one off made up words have..At what point do they become legit neologisms and when would they be just considered bollox? Does it depend on who used them? It has to, but I find that kind of attribution of certain language to certain social strata to be discriminatory.

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Linguistics is a really broad field. I don't really know anyone who call themselves a linguist, by the way. Besides I don't like labels, they mislead, meh. Who would want to be reduced to a linguist, a rock star, a mod, a chef, stitchbitcher

I think that last word does not exist.

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there are many people who are by profession, linguists- that would then be their title. just as people would be a waitress, a sociolinguist, a potter, etc.
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Many linguists never study linguistics btw.
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Old 29.03.2013, 22:26
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Many linguists never study linguistics btw.
by that you mean people who speak multiple languages?
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Re: On Linguistics

Indeedy . I have studied languages all my life but never studied linguistics- would be quite interested to do so now.
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there are many people who are by profession, linguists- that would then be their title. just as people would be a waitress, a sociolinguist, a potter, etc.
Absolutely, and power to them

That's not what I mean, I think the field I gotta study is so vast, linguistics is an area hard to define, crosspolinating, borrowing left and right and loaning other fields and more interdisciplinary as time goes. As Odile said, you can be a linguist without studying it, or be a linguist who shifts into another field, after a while.

I think me not liking labels is the same as some disliking capitalizing

Odile, I like your thoughts on linguists, made me think about IT folks. A lot of people I know who are IT are self taught. You can be a linguist without studying it, formally. In fact, you can be a linguist and not know more than one language. Knowing languages help to be a better linguist, me thinks. You can know languages and have no idea about linguistics, although that's probably hard, since the comparative part will always be there.
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Yes, I'd like to study linguistics, for pleasure rather than seriously. Mind you, I have several friends both here and in the US who teach linguistics at Uni - and I have to say they can be a tad pedantic, and have put me off a bit.


Any good and inspiring books for novices you could recommend MC?
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Yes, I'd like to study linguistics, for pleasure rather than seriously. Mind you, I have several friends both here and in the US who teach linguistics at Uni - and I have to say they can be a tad pedantic, and have put me off a bit.


Any good and inspiring books for novices you could recommend MC?
You will love Language, the loaded weapon, by D. Bolinger. It's dense but very healthy and the opposite of pedantic. He goes after pedants.
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Will look it up - I admit I don't take pedants with a smile
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Odile, I like your thoughts on linguists, made me think about IT folks. A lot of people I know .
That's a common misconception, MC. Of course, one could learn by herself/himself different programming languages during the years, to keep it up and make the CV more attractive, but mathematics and real stuff you learn in school. We are not all amateurs.
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We are not all amateurs.
Not at all. And an amateur and self taught are not synonyms
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OH is a scientist in a different field, but has taken a keen interest in IT ever since the ZX in 1981- he has written programmes for his business, etc - and knows a lot more about IT than many so called IT specialists. Not in the same way as my big bro though, who was in the first PhD batch at Grenoble uni about 66 - before most of us knew what a computer was.
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oi, is this thread directed at me or wot?? I'm asking because it started shortly after my didactic, liguistically pedantic post on the SVP today

funny how when people have taken a disliking to you, they'l be making jibes at you by way of insinuation, without addressing you personally trying to play rustic anti-intellectuals, but behaving like cultured, complacent intellectuals themselves, not having the guts to address you in person thinking you will not be responding.

i don't force anyone to agree with my definitions, people could have continued talking about SVP being right-wing, sending me to coventry or basel, i don't care!lol!
I don't have a beard.Gosh, i'm not even an academic and i don't even smoke pot (clichés galore) <shucks< <horror< funny how some people visualise you according to what you write.

If it wasn't directed at me, no offense, but since there have been insinuations directed at me in the past, i thought i'd ask
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Not at all. And an amateur and self taught are not synonyms
I know, but from my experience, more often than not they are. I am sorry, probably I am too much in favor of formal instruction. Of course, there are always exceptions.
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