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Glarnerinnen und Glarner sind entweder evangelisch-reformiert (42 Prozent) oder römisch-katholisch (37 Prozent). Dazu kommen orthodoxe Christen, Anhänger islamischer, jüdischer und anderer Gemeinschaften sowie Menschen, die keiner Religion angehören.
That's fascinating, but completely ignores the fact that there is a methodist church down the road and at least two free evangelical churches in the canton, not to mention another protestant church of uncertain provenance in Glarus town. They're just the ones I know of personally. There are probably several more.

To be honest, I haven't a clue what point you're trying to make here. Are you trying to extrapolate your personal experience in the Darkest Jura from 50 years ago to the whole of Switzerland in 2014, or what?
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Old 08.06.2014, 23:34
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That's fascinating, but completely ignores the fact that there is a methodist church down the road and at least two free evangelical churches in the canton, not to mention another protestant church of uncertain provenance in Glarus town.
They are counted to the reformed church in the statistics in an effort to distinguish them from sects and cults.
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They are counted to the reformed church in the statistics in an effort to distinguish them from sects and cults.
Now that's interesting!

So the national figures, in fact, probably disguise an awful lot more non-Evangelical Reformed protestant churches, then?

Do you have a reference or a link where I could read more about this, please?
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Old 08.06.2014, 23:43
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You might be interested to know that First Communion as a ritual doesn't even exist in any of the Protestant churches I grew up in. Nor do kids have godparents or baptism sponsors or whatever.

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Nor in any of the ones I grew up in either although we did have godparents. This was in the UK though not Switzerland.
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5.7% in Switzerland belong to other Christian denominations apart from Catholic and Reformed evangelical Church.
Hmmm... you missed out the 21.4% of people who are registered as 'non-denominational', which - in addition to actual atheists and agnostics - includes all the people who attend churches which don't benefit from the church tax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Switzerland

Looks like 'other' protestants aren't such rare creatures after all.
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Probably some unknowns and bias in both- but I based my post on the official statistical body for Switzerland instead of Wikipedia.

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Er... that pie chart says exactly the same as the wikipedia article.
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Not sure you quite understand. Until not very long ago, everyone in those Valais villages was deemed a Catholic. So there is only one cemetary- it is the village cemetary, but it is under the jurisdiction of the Catholic Church. So you either are a Catholic and can be buried there- or you are not- and you have to be buried in another non denominational cemetary perhaps a long distance away- away from family and friends and family burial plots. What sort of choice is that? Or be cremated- which again is still very much disaproved of by older Catholics. Why would someone not want to be put to rest near their home and loved ones? All the cemetaries in the villages nearby will also be Catholic and follow the same rule.
What I understand is that we are getting further and further from reality in your attempts to justify your previous statements. And I do not see any point in taking this any further, you have your opinion and you are not going to let the facts interfere with it.
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Old 09.06.2014, 10:29
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What I understand is that we are getting further and further from reality in your attempts to justify your previous statements. And I do not see any point in taking this any further, you have your opinion and you are not going to let the facts interfere with it.
No, no, no - you just don't understand!

You see, because the children in Odile's village in the 1940s were a bunch of dishonest little shits, the Pope should apologise on behalf of all the dead nuns in Ireland for that woman getting whipped in the Sudan, bearing in mind that there are no such things as Swiss baptists or methodists.

Surely that makes sense? No?

I knew a woman once whose uncle's sister converted to Bahai'ism because he thought he'd get better wheels for his car that way but I have absolute respect for sincerely held beliefs even though I don't think they should be allowed to do that thing with the goats because this man in Bradford says it's ok that they don't have to do it.

Christians and Muslims are all evil except when they're not. They're all making it up. Atheists are nicer. I'm going for a barbecue in the sunshine. Starbucks should pay more tax.

Here's a response to a post which hasn't been made yet: Yes, I know what you mean about the aardvark, but I still think it's wrong!
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Hands up who is sick of listening to these 2 fight the whole time!
Dudes, get a room, or get a pistol, just f@#*ing get over it.
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Hands up who is sick of listening to these 2 fight the whole time!
Dudes, get a room, or get a pistol, just f@#*ing get over it.
No it's super funny. My question: I understand most religions are disparate - possibly none more so than Protestantism. But surely the Pope and Vatican are at the head of a single Church with a single body of law? I know there's some variation but that's true of an single organisation and that doesn't make them any less of a monolithic organisation. Can someone explain to me exactly how I'm wrong.
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Can someone explain to me exactly how I'm wrong.
Because regardless of what some chaps in funny hats in Italy say, an Irish nun remains an Irish nun, a banker from the Philippines remains a banker from the Philippines and an Argentine soup kitchen volunteer remains an Argentine soup kitchen volunteer.

The Roman church is simply too big to be considered a unified entity, except in the imaginations of some of its members. Since anecdotal evidence is apparently valid in this thread: you should have seen the look on the face of my English friend when she attended a Roman Catholic service in Athens. She'd have likely look less shocked if she'd visited a voodoo ceremony in Haiti.

... which is why the Roman Catholics of Glarus were happy to share a church building with their Evangelical Reformed rivals, while - apparently - the Roman Catholics of the Wallis were busy disinterring protestants and breaking up families or something. Culture trumps law every time. Always did, always will - that's why most of the New Testament consists of letters admonishing various local churches for being so wayward...
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Re: I apologise [White English Scum]

well i think the one thing roman catholics can all get behind is they are going to hell if they aren't one! so surely some unity.
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Hands up who is sick of listening to these 2 fight the whole time!
Dudes, get a room, or get a pistol, just f@#*ing get over it.
i only see dougals breakfast fighting? odile seems quite thoughtful and polite. maybe dougals breakfast should get a room of his own, then he can be sure everyone in it agrees with him.
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odile seems quite thoughtful and polite.
post of the year so far. Stick to chicken threads love.
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Re: I apologise [White English Scum]

I do try to always remain polite. My first Communion was in 1967 actually- and my friend in the Valais converted recently to Catholicism as she'd like to be buried with her husband in the local cemetary, and that was her only option. Personally I don't care where I am buried- and anyhow our local cemetary, which is 300m from our house, is open to all. Both my parents are buried there, but like Edot- their graves mean little to me and I don't visit. My parents are in my heart.

I do know have current experiences of many Swiss areas/Communes, mainly in Romandie, due to family and friends all over- Evangelical Churches have indeed become more prevalent in the past half-century, but the numbers are very small indeed in all the communities I know well. Perhaps Glarus is a bit different- I agree that I've NO knowledge of that community at all. According to recent research, it seems that a lot more Swiss have turned towards Buddhism and other oriental ways of life, like modern Taoism and even druidism- or simply atheism, than evangelical churches, certainly in Romandie.
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Re: I apologise [White English Scum]

One of the things we were always taught as little Catholics growing up was that we had free will. So you can be proper little Catholics or evil sh*ts.

To me, this explains the great variance between Catholics, and why people may be men, women, Italian, Irish, dog catchers or doctors and then Catholics. If you look at religion there is a huge variance of expression based on ethnicity, circumstance, whatever.

So this is why I don't necessarily expect the Pope to speak for me. Moreover, if there are evil Catholics in the world it's because they were evil people first. Their interpretation of religion is tempered by their evilness.

I base this on growing up in a family that was Italian catholic and very devout on one side and orthodox Jewish on the other and marrying into a family of humanists. Good people are more alike irrespective of religion or lack thereof - in my experience.

Don't know much about Swiss religion, and I am listed as without religion here.
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Because regardless of what some chaps in funny hats in Italy say, an Irish nun remains an Irish nun, a banker from the Philippines remains a banker from the Philippines and an Argentine soup kitchen volunteer remains an Argentine soup kitchen volunteer.

The Roman church is simply too big to be considered a unified entity, except in the imaginations of some of its members. Since anecdotal evidence is apparently valid in this thread: you should have seen the look on the face of my English friend when she attended a Roman Catholic service in Athens. She'd have likely look less shocked if she'd visited a voodoo ceremony in Haiti.

... which is why the Roman Catholics of Glarus were happy to share a church building with their Evangelical Reformed rivals, while - apparently - the Roman Catholics of the Wallis were busy disinterring protestants and breaking up families or something. Culture trumps law every time. Always did, always will - that's why most of the New Testament consists of letters admonishing various local churches for being so wayward...
Are you sure that was Roman Catholic in Athens? Usually the churches are Greek Orthodox.
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Are you sure that was Roman Catholic in Athens? Usually the churches are Greek Orthodox.
Yes, they usually are. This one wasn't, though.
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