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Old 28.05.2014, 11:37
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Snowden STFU!

Dream on son

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27598516

this guy has a very high opinion of himself, his 15 minutes was up so he dreams this lot up. He really needs a reality check.
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Old 28.05.2014, 11:41
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Re: Snowden STFU!

Who would you trust more, him or the US government?

Maybe he is talking himself up, but at least he had the balls to do something that he believed in. I'm not saying he was right or wrong, but at least he had the courage of his convictions - which most of us don't.
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Old 28.05.2014, 11:47
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Re: Snowden STFU!

he was a very small insignificant fish in a very big pond, he has 'revealed' nothing that people didn't already know, just provided some hard evidence that the press could actually use.

If he had been through 'spy' training they would have picked up what an egotistical dreamer he really was and booted him.

I really don't get why people bother to work for security agencies then turn on them, especially for such a non story.

OMG the US government as listening into to mobile calls!!! yawn
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Old 28.05.2014, 12:00
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Re: Snowden STFU!

Define "spy".

GCHQ is full of geeky "spies" - mathmos, language graduates, programmers, etc. etc. It's not all James-Bond-cloak-and-dagger types...
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Old 28.05.2014, 12:06
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Define "spy".

GCHQ is full of geeky "spies" - mathmos, language graduates, programmers, etc. etc. It's not all James-Bond-cloak-and-dagger types...

he is trying to make out he was a spy in the james bond sense of the word, undercover all over the world cloak and dagger type stuff

in reality he was sat at a desk typing select * from huge_telco_database
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Re: Snowden STFU!

He needs to stop watching Goldeneye.
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Old 28.05.2014, 12:13
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Re: Snowden STFU!

I think he's been watching skyfall, probably just out in russia
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Old 28.05.2014, 12:19
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If he had been through 'spy' training they would have picked up what an egotistical dreamer he really was and booted him.
How would you know - have you ever been to Spy School?
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Old 28.05.2014, 12:29
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How would you know - have you ever been to Spy School?

I wouldn't be allowed to answer that now, would I
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he was a very small insignificant fish in a very big pond, he has 'revealed' nothing that people didn't already know, just provided some hard evidence that the press could actually use.
And this is very significant.
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Old 28.05.2014, 14:50
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Re: Snowden STFU!

I disagree, and it only goes to prove he was very low in the organisation and didn't have any access to any 'real' secrets.

he's just trying to justify his rather stupid decision to himself
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Re: Snowden STFU!

Yes, his leaks had no significant effect on government policy and transparency. Because bigblue2 said so. Looking forward to more armchair advice from you on how to change the world in the future.
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Yes, his leaks had no significant effect on government policy and transparency. Because bigblue2 said so. Looking forward to more armchair advice from you on how to change the world in the future.
And the leaks changed the world how exactly?
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Old 28.05.2014, 15:08
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Re: Snowden STFU!

you really think anything has changed?? a few debates and token law changes
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Old 28.05.2014, 15:11
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Dream on son

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27598516

this guy has a very high opinion of himself, his 15 minutes was up so he dreams this lot up. He really needs a reality check.
Not sure what your point is? He single handedly revealed more about the NSA and the American's network of eavesdropping than anyone in modern history.

If that's not worthy of more than the allocated 15 minutes that you've generously given him, then best get back to your Spiderman comic books where reality is just around the next corner.
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Old 28.05.2014, 15:14
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Re: Snowden STFU!

What he 'revealed' was akin to george michael announcing he was gay, oh really, didn't know that.

Frankly I'm amazed that it amazed people, it wasn't exactly a closely guarded secret, I'd go as far as saying it wasn't a secret at all.
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Re: Snowden STFU!

A few of the business effects due to revealed US government policy: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/n...e-of-tech.html

Have you heard of the "magistrates' revolt" inside the US government: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...52c_story.html

"The seeds of what legal observers have dubbed “the Magistrates’ Revolt” date back several years, but it has gained power amid mounting public anger about government surveillance capabilities revealed by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden."

Not to mention all the embarrassing revelations about foreign government officials' phones being tapped.

There's also a law heading to the US Senate: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...t-passes-house

But he had the gall to call himself a "spy", so all he deserves is glib derision.
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Old 28.05.2014, 15:21
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Re: Snowden STFU!

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he is trying to make out he was a spy in the james bond sense of the word, undercover all over the world cloak and dagger type stuff

in reality he was sat at a desk typing select * from huge_telco_database
Like these guys:


Yes, from a film, but still the type of role he may have had and still "spying"

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And this is very significant.
I agree. Knowing "everyone does it" and providing actual proof is worlds apart in the rule (haha) of law.
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Old 28.05.2014, 15:30
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What he 'revealed' was akin to george michael announcing he was gay, oh really, didn't know that.

Frankly I'm amazed that it amazed people, it wasn't exactly a closely guarded secret, I'd go as far as saying it wasn't a secret at all.
To quote from Glenn Greenwald's book "No Place to Hide":

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When a government acts beyond the very laws that it itself is voted in to uphold in the self-indulgent belief that it knows better than its populace you have at best a totalitarian state and worst the beginning of a dictatorship, one built up on fear rather than facts.

Personally, I'm still listening way beyond the 15 minutes .....
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Old 28.05.2014, 15:53
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Re: Snowden STFU!

its very amusing (to me at least) that people get there knickers in a twist about this

yet allow google, apple, facebook, twitter, microsoft, whatsapp etc etc to harvest as much info about them as possible, even 'reading' there emails and texts to target ads to them (at the very least) with no transparency and they are free to sell the information on to the highest bidder.
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