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Guitar, though I want to learn the harp. I used to sing too but my voice has gone to crap.
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Old 08.07.2014, 16:17
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Thanks everyone, some great and very interesting replies.

I never really got past London's Burning on the recorder. And I could just about play the intros to "My Sharona" and "Man on the Moon" on bass guitar (as long as nobody was expecting me to keep time).

I've never had the coordination or attention span to learn to play anything properly.

I used to be able to sing, but I'm 12 years out of practice (living in an apartment and not driving doesn't encourage singing without a care).
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Oh, was that in the red and white book that seemed to be omnipresent in every British primary school?
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Thanks everyone, some great and very interesting replies.

I never really got past London's Burning on the recorder. And I could just about play the intros to "My Sharona" and "Man on the Moon" on bass guitar (as long as nobody was expecting me to keep time).

I've never had the coordination or attention span to learn to play anything properly.


I used to be able to sing, but I'm 12 years out of practice (living in an apartment and not driving doesn't encourage singing without a care).
Your problems mirror mine - coordination and attention span. Actually I never wanted to play somebody else's music - that kind of felt like being a mega talented typist to me. I always wanted to create, but music lessons at the time I was a kid basically forbade any kind of creativity hence I jacked it in.

Recently I've been playing with sequencers and samplers which overcome those coordination problems and let you get on with the creation process without being hindered with the physical interface of a real instrument.

That said if you're somebody who's hell bent on learning to play Gilmore's solo from one brick in the wall then that's not going to help you.
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Old 08.07.2014, 20:34
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Oh, was that in the red and white book that seemed to be omnipresent in every British primary school?
That was the one (I think - it's been <mumble mumble> years since then).
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Looks like we can put together The Grand Cacophonic EF Orchestra. Awesome..

I think I enjoyed drums the most, but a year of feeling physically exhausted after practices, I got tired of the work outs. Love playing bass for the same reason, though, feeling music and rythm physically, shifts it in my hemispheres, it helps me. Piano since five, but I save that for classical only, and still play, probably will till I turn 100. Not sure if I will be able to carry bass then, since it can be heavy and sitting down is for chicks and solo obssessists. Singing in a symphony is great, too, I think I will always do that, one way or another. Community spirit is really a special way to experience being creative, it's humbling. Classical guitar was blah, I think I did 2 and a half years of that, so is electric, but I will probably end up playing it laters. After a harp, tuba and a violin. And clarinet, I used to dislike since it sounded hysterical, but klezmer brings it closer to home.

The question of identical interpretation - no. A good musician will quickly memorize the score in order to focus on expression, and that is as in anything that communicates, completely individual. Which gets more obvious to some more they know about music. To an untrained ear, a song is a song, notes are there, as long as the melody is there and the rythm unwobbly but even to an untrained ear with a pitch, the differences are there.

If you have 2 figure skaters, who skate to the same piece of music and cover the same technical tricks flawlessly, art expression is usually the differentiating criterion that committee splits them with.

Music perception and appreciation of a played piece will be the same. It's the subjective part of music interpretation that make talents stand out. And that is separate to some extent to technical ability (of course it helps). I know amazingly creative people who are not the top masters in tech skills. I gigged and wrote songs a few weeks after picking up bass. That's how easy and lovely it is. That surely does not say everyone would like it, another subjective bit, in perception.

If anyone is up for a rehearsal of our orchestra, I am all for that.

Anyways - what are your musical pet peeves?

I think mine is air playing. Always by non musicians and always for attention. Get an instrument. It's cheap. Then - shooting down kids who start. Not getting them real instruments "to see if it picks up". It will never pick up on plasticky tinny fake thing. And - waxing on LPs one owns to impress and show off. Ok, I don't ever remember names. If you collect, do it for yourself, but it does not automatically ensure having one own's taste. Nor does subscribing over priced hip music mags. And the last, I love hating Jack White. He is so pretentious, and so good, gaaah.
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Old 10.07.2014, 10:45
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Anyways - what are your musical pet peeves?

I think mine is air playing. Always by non musicians and always for attention. Get an insument. It's cheap. Then - shooting down kids who start. Not getting them real insuments "to see if it picks up". It will never pick up on plasticky tinny fake thing. And - waxing on LPs one owns to impress and show off. Ok, I don't ever remember names. If you collect, do it for yourself, but it does not automatically ensure having one own's taste. Nor does subsribing over priced hip music mags. And the last, I love hating Jack White. He is so pretentious, and so good, gaaah.
great post, thanks very much, you made me smile.

I have to challenge a couple of your peeves, not that I object to them at all but its a talkboard!

I get a couple of music mags not because they are trendy but because they are surprisingly good value, you can go back to them like books and read articles about a band years later but the articles can still be relevant. I get Mojo and The Wire and I love them both.

You "hate" Jack White He is a fabulous musician, supremely talented, I will forgive him his current muso type ramblings which aren't easy on a listener but I put this down as a phase after his pop White Stripes phase. I like pretentious artists, it means they are gunning for something more interesting and bigger! Talking of whichv two of my favourite artists (Scott Walker and Sunn o))) )are often accused of being pretentious but I can barely contain my excitement at their forthcoming possible collaboration Scott O))) although I think it may be a wind up:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...tal-duo-sunn-o
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Old 10.07.2014, 11:00
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Recently I've been playing with sequencers and samplers which overcome those coordination problems and let you get on with the creation process without being hindered with the physical interface of a real instrument.
Is there any software for creating and experimenting with music that you can recommend?
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Old 10.07.2014, 11:09
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great post, thanks very much, you made me smile.

I have to challenge a couple of your peeves, not that I object to them at all but its a talkboard!

I get a couple of music mags not because they are trendy but because they are surprisingly good value, you can go back to them like books and read articles about a band years later but the articles can still be relevant. I get Mojo and The Wire and I love them both.

You "hate" Jack White He is a fabulous musician, supremely talented, I will forgive him his current muso type ramblings which aren't easy on a listener but I put this down as a phase after his pop White Stripes phase. I like pretentious artists, it means they are gunning for something more interesting and bigger! Talking of whichv two of my favourite artists (Scott Walker and Sunn o))) )are often accused of being pretentious but I can barely contain my excitement at their forthcoming possible collaboration Scott O))) although I think it may be a wind up:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...tal-duo-sunn-o
Wire and Mojo are great, I just tossed 300 Mojos, hahah..it's not that. It's the people who's busy one upping the others because "they read it" in creditted source. Art and intellectual snobbery, music is not excluded. Kids are cool when you present art to them, they pick up paints, brushes and start playing, guitars, drum sticks, not wasting 200 years on mastering covers. I did only 2, Flaming Lips and Bo Diddley, probably should have done more to up my technique, will get thee when time is right. I miss jamming and having noisy fun.

I know what you mean about pretentiousness, kinda comes with the territory, n'est pas, heh. I hated when guys pushed and asked me to "strike a pose", horrors. Yeah, Jack White is doing it probably because, out of all, he really can. And it sells. I just think he does not need it. I'd pick Mark E. Smith's pretentiousness over a cocky yank rock star, but it's different. I give White all the street cred. He is almost as good as Cpt. Beefheart. Less genuine, more ear candy. I know it defo suits at times.
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Is there any software for creating and experimenting with music that you can recommend?




Protools
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That's a piece of string question - Mac or Windows / iPad or Android Tablet?

I do most of my experimentation on the iPad with Korg Gadget, - bascially a bag full of synths and drum machines linked with a sequencer, but I'm gradually getting into both Logic and Cubase on the desktop. If you have a Mac then you've already got Garageband to play around with.

For an easy cheap way of getting the idea of pattern based sequencing and synth patching you could try Caustic. The iPad/Android versions cost about 10 chufs. However the desktop versions are free, but with the caveat that they're betas, there's no support

Go to http://www.singlecellsoftware.com/caustic and at the bottom of the page you'll find the download links for the desktop versions.

If you really want to get professional with computer based music production than you'll have to wait for another EF member to pop his head into this thread to give you some advice.

Edit: Ah, I see he has already done so
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That's a piece of string question - Mac or Windows / iPad or Android Tablet?

I do most of my experimentation on the iPad with Korg Gadget, - bascially a bag full of synths and drum machines linked with a sequencer, but I'm gradually getting into both Logic and Cubase on the desktop. If you have a Mac then you've already got Garageband to play around with.

For an easy cheap way of getting the idea of pattern based sequencing and synth patching you could try Caustic. The iPad/Android versions cost about 10 chufs. However the desktop versions are free, but with the caveat that they're betas, there's no support

Go to http://www.singlecellsoftware.com/caustic and at the bottom of the page you'll find the download links for the desktop versions.

If you really want to get professional with computer based music production than you'll have to wait for another EF member to pop his head into this thread to give you some advice.

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Thanks.

No, I'm not looking for anything professional. Just something that has a quick learning curve and is intuitive, ie, not requiring me to learn heaps of theory and technical stuff before I can even understand what it's offering me, but still produce results that maybe won't awe a professional but can be listened to.

I'm on Mac.
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I've forwarded the link to this thread to someone else who's a whizz with the "electronic" side (for want of a better term). I know nothing about creating music on computers (I sort of recognise a ProTools keyboard, and that's about it), I've always been live, acoustic instruments. Yet there's no doubt both are "music".

There's surely a learning curve with either option (which of course are not mutually exclusive), but I wonder if one is steeper than the other? Is gaining the technical skill to play an acoustic instrument to a professional or semi-professional level greater than acquiring the technical skills to create music using a computer and compositing samples? (Probably showing my ignorance there too)
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Thanks.

No, I'm not looking for anything professional. Just something that has a quick learning curve and is intuitive, ie, not requiring me to learn heaps of theory and technical stuff before I can even understand what it's offering me, but still produce results that maybe won't awe a professional but can be listened to.

I'm on Mac.
OK, you can start with Garageband then. Even if you're just going to be messing around one of the things I would do is get a little USB MIDI keyboard as well. Something like an AKAI LPK25 or M-Audio Axiom Air mini 32 if you want a few more keys. I also use a Korg NanoKey which I like because the keys are flat like laptop keys, but I can't recommend it because that's not going to suit everyone and they keys are a bit rattly.

These little keyboards often say come with very cut down versions of Reason, Cubase, Ableton etc for download, but I've never managed to jump through all the hoops they ask of you to get the software.
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Picks.

I know people mostly use them. I know I should more, and I do have that nifty little dispenser stuck on my bass I did not even put there. But it is full of pink picks since it is a running joke with my brothers, they get me pink picks different thickness for whatever I need. I usually play with a small 1mm, with a sharp point, since I control the sound better.

Do people have preference? I try not to play with a pick since I opt for fuzzy mutted, lo-fi sound..maybe it is the pianist in me prefering touching the strings directly. Do you use it and then round the sound with effects? Do you prefer to do that without a pick?

Sound aside, I don't collect picks, but keep a pick of Dinosaur Jr. bass player's one, The Ex's, Legendary Pink Dot's one, just cause.
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I don't like picks to be honest, besides if you catch me playing guitar these days it's more than likely it'll be the classical which you'd generally play fingerstyle anyway.
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that's a good question - I am in two minds about picks, I need them to make my sound bigger and clearer but I much prefer picking and strumming with my fingers. I like the harder thicker ones missus
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Audacity is pretty easy-to-use mixing software, which I believe you can download for free. You can also use that program to add effects to the tracks that you upload, etc.

If you don't have any recorded tracks to upload to that program, you can easily download (for free) music samples from sites like https://www.freesound.org/. (e.g. do a search there for guitar samples).

You can also easily find free drum machine or piano programs, etc. Of course, that's nothing like playing the real instruments, but they can be fun to play around with...
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I use a pick if I'm playing blues/lead on the electric, and more rarely for the same on the 6-string acoustic, or if I want the 12-string to sound strummy (e.g. Oasis's Wonderwall).

Otherwise it's finger picking on guitar, including the 12-string, which give some interesting possibilities.

Mandolin is (nearly) always played with a pick, and bass really depends on the sound you want to get, but I don't play often enough to have a specific preference.

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I've just started messing with Audacity and so far I like it. Quite simple to add a new track while playing some or all existing ones, but so far I've not got as far as producing a finished product.
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