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Inside the Church of Atheism

Interesting....... just how in denial some people are

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'This brings the best of religion – and leaves the worst out': inside the atheist church hoping to take America by storm
At the weekend, the Sunday Assembly launched new services in 35 cities across the world – the largest expansion yet of their 'atheist churches'. Started in January 2013 by British comedians Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans, the Sunday Assembly seeks to offer the communal, uplifting aspect of church, without any of the God business.

The US has proved one of the most fertile markets for the Sunday Assembly, with 11 cities already hosting events and another 16 launching new services as part of the latest expansion. The Guardian sent Adam Gabbatt to the first service in Cleveland, Ohio, to find out how a godless church works
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Old 29.09.2014, 20:50
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Interesting....... just how in denial some people are




In denial of what?
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In denial of what?
That such is the hubris of militant atheism, they now require their own temples from which to practice their zealotry.
I fully expect Richard Dawkins et al to denounce them as 'feeble-minded obscurantists who cling to emotion, tradition or the supernatural'
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Old 29.09.2014, 21:13
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It's a catching trend. Now we should start industrial company preaching anti-productivity at work place. I just need to acquire headquarters for that purpose. They should nominate all corporate CEO's as comedians

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That such is the hubris of militant atheism, they now require their own temples from which to practice their zealotry.
I fully expect Richard Dawkins et al to denounce them as 'feeble-minded obscurantists who cling to emotion, tradition or the supernatural'
But this just just a re-gurgitation of the millennia old stance of the mono-theistic religions of Christianity, Islam and Judaism from their inception.

You could probably add the Aztecs and Incas and a thousand others.

There is but one God.... and he is ours!

And we will butcher you and your tribe if you do not concur.
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Re: Inside the Church of Atheism

There was an interesting article in the speccy a few months ago:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/...theist-church/

Live and let live, I say. I'd have laughed my balls off at the idea back when I was an atheist, though.
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Re: Inside the Church of Atheism

Back in the days, when I was wandering across the flea market there was a stand advertising L. Ron Hubbard's book Dianetics and the folks marketing it used to organize seminars in church of Scientology. I was enticed and bought one out of curiosity. I should have this book collecting dust somewhere in the basement. It used to be so popular about 10 years ago.

http://books.google.ch/books/about/D...AJ&redir_esc=y

Now I put it in category of Jehovah's Witnesses kind of congregations. No thanks.
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That such is the hubris of militant atheism, they now require their own temples from which to practice their zealotry.
I fully expect Richard Dawkins et al to denounce them as 'feeble-minded obscurantists who cling to emotion, tradition or the supernatural'
Yes, something like that. It's very sad that in some cultures the idea that you have to have some sort of religion, and celebration thereof, that it leaves a market open for this sort of charlatanism to jump onto.

Your conclusion that this stupid manipulated bunch somehow represent atheism, as if it were a thing that could be represented anyway, is about on a par with suggesting that Jim Jones was representative of Christianity.
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some cultures the idea that you have to have some sort of religion, and celebration thereof
Some cultures? Don't you mean every culture that has ever existed (as far as we know)?

Whether you believe in a god or not, religion is a pretty fundamental part of every society I can think of. Even Maoist China had its god and its commandments.
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Yes, something like that. It's very sad that in some cultures the idea that you have to have some sort of religion, and celebration thereof, that it leaves a market open for this sort of charlatanism to jump onto.
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Some cultures? Don't you mean every culture that has ever existed (as far as we know)?
Err, no, I don't think so. None of the cultures I've lived in have exhibited pressure on the populace in general to attend some sort of (pseudo-) religious celebration each week. Not in the last hundred years or so, at least.
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Your conclusion that this stupid manipulated bunch somehow represent atheism, as if it were a thing that could be represented anyway, is about on a par with suggesting that Jim Jones was representative of Christianity.
Completely agree, and yet the media and those with vested interests use Jim Jones, The Lords Resistance Army, Al Queda etc.. as shining examples why religion is evil. Richard Dawkins once presented a documentary entitled 'The Root of All Evil? - The God Delusion' in which he set about destroying such strawmen, without once touching on the undoubted good much of religion has played in our society.

My point was simply, you cannot have it both ways. If people want to get together in church like congregations, listen to crappy folk music and sway to rousing speeches then I'm afraid 'if it quacks like a duck....'
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Now we should start industrial company preaching anti-productivity at work place.
I don't think that is needed.

Anyways, regarding OP, theories are interesting. Human tendency to bend them to prove whatever happens to be either convenient or fashionable is part of how theory works or is made, its genesis. Negation will work as well as identifying with something. If people blame a mere existence of religion or whatever moral code or set of believes for whatever crime people happen to justify it with, we won't move anywhere. We won't move anywhere when feeling victorious for not belonging to a cult, either. That's not the point, tbh.

What is more interesting, how come these business minds organizing whatever spirituality sell out are so successful. I would say, due to laziness to think critically, due to instant gratification being worshiped and superficiality? Is that spreading more than ever? Or what is it that facilitates masses go for mob cohesion. Obviously, overrating rationality is not going to work, either, especially for those who follow this trend for spirituality quest. So, how to restructure the society in order to preserve it decent and civil, and if polarized than in a respectful way?

People only soul search if they feel a deficit. To point fingers at those is not going to stop them nor others from searching, will probably just intensify the polarization and will encourage.

I wonder about practical changes..open debates, brainstorming. Not trashing those who believe in something else and listing why we are apparently better.
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... temples from which to practice their zealotry.
You forgot to make a little cartoon portraying them as pigs.
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As an atheist, this totally goes against everything I don't believe in.
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My point was simply, you cannot have it both ways. If people want to get together in church like congregations, listen to crappy folk music and sway to rousing speeches then I'm afraid 'if it quacks like a duck....'
I think you're right here.

There's even been a schism in this Sunday Assembly which, and here's the important point, must have been driven by one or more people who had a bit more 'authority' over the others.

It's these sorts of people who will become the 'church leaders' and others will follow them and probably end up worshiping them to some degree.

It's all a bit creepy and I can't see it ending well.
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..... without once touching on the undoubted good much of religion has played in our society.
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seriously? 'undoubted' ?

it's been a platform of evil and social control for millenia. A few aid missions to Africa does not wipe out thousands of years of evil in the service of <insert imaginary friend here>

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I think you're right here.

There's even been a schism in this Sunday Assembly which, and here's the important point, must have been driven by one or more people who had a bit more 'authority' over the others.

It's these sorts of people who will become the 'church leaders' and others will follow them and probably end up worshiping them to some degree.

It's all a bit creepy and I can't see it ending well.
Exactly that, you can see the corruption creeping in.
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My point was simply, you cannot have it both ways.
Well, apparently you can. And it spreads and it seems popular.

It does point out to semantics and definition of what atheism actually means to different people. And entrepreneurs, obviously.

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If people want to get together in church like congregations, listen to crappy folk music and sway to rousing speeches then I'm afraid 'if it quacks like a duck....'
Just shows people like their rituals. It's been modeled from a successful model, it gives people what they need. How you call it, is at the end completely irrelevant. Meeting like minded people, doing preset routines, following rituals that make people happy, it does not seem to me the actual content is that important aside of the negation - just shows that some people view atheism as denial of god as a creator, but do not necessarily need to promote themselves as being the creators of their reality.

Semiatheists.

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Don't you think there's a clue in the founders?

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