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Old 01.02.2015, 15:13
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Im doubt very much if those people, and I have met many of them, who use words such as mumbo-jumbo, horseshit, old blarney and so on have actually ever bothered to really inform themselves of the topic which happens to be in question.
Thanks. You make my point nicely. The "You don't know enough about it" argument is another one which is impossible to refute.

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It would be much better if we could have some reasons why for instance reincarnation is not possible. That, I'm sure would be interesting and would of course show that the subject had been delved into.
While we're about it, let's delve into the interesting question of whether humans can be reincarnated as fairies. If you look on the internet, there's some fascinating research being done in this field, and it all points to the conclusion that humans and fairies can indeed be inter-reincarnated. Of course, you need to approach the subject with a certain open-mindedness.
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Old 01.02.2015, 15:49
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Thanks. You make my point nicely. The "You don't know enough about it" argument is another one which is impossible to refute.



While we're about it, let's delve into the interesting question of whether humans can be reincarnated as fairies. If you look on the internet, there's some fascinating research being done in this field, and it all points to the conclusion that humans and fairies can indeed be inter-reincarnated. Of course, you need to approach the subject with a certain open-mindedness.

Yes, indeed. But you still have to tell me why reincarnation isn't possible - which is what I asked.
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Old 01.02.2015, 16:03
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Yes, indeed. But you still have to tell me why reincarnation isn't possible - which is what I asked.
No, I don't. As I said in my earlier post:

Re-incarnation is similar to all those other mumbo-jumbo constructs like religion or astrology, in that it's sufficiently vaguely defined that you can never disprove it. You can always tweak the definition to accommodate whatever arguments or evidence you encounter. However, the fact that you can't disprove a thing is no reason to believe that the thing may be true.
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No, I don't. As I said in my earlier post:

Re-incarnation is similar to all those other mumbo-jumbo constructs like religion or astrology, in that it's sufficiently vaguely defined that you can never disprove it. You can always tweak the definition to accommodate whatever arguments or evidence you encounter. However, the fact that you can't disprove a thing is no reason to believe that the thing may be true.

This logic may well satisfy you but for me it leaves out the possibility that, for instance, we haven't asked the right questions. For me, there is a need to explain the immense amount of reported experiences of all kinds that has collected over the years all over the world.


In my opinion we need to listen more to what people say and try to define in some way what it may mean. Calling people's experiences mumbo-jumbo won't get us anywhere.
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Old 01.02.2015, 20:06
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For me, there is a need to explain the immense amount of reported experiences of all kinds that has collected over the years all over the world.
Sorry to be blunt, but why do you want to believe that reincarnation is something more than an intriguing fantasy?

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In my opinion we need to listen more to what people say and try to define in some way what it may mean.
Why? I don't need to do that.
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Im doubt very much if those people, and I have met many of them, who use words such as mumbo-jumbo, horseshit, old blarney and so on have actually ever bothered to really inform themselves of the topic which happens to be in question.
How exactly do I "really inform myself" about so-called earlier lives, reincarnation, etc.? Where do I go for concrete evidence? And I will hold you to your good choice of word: "really". Thanks.

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Yes, indeed. But you still have to tell me why reincarnation isn't possible - which is what I asked.
Well it contradicts the laws of physics and what we know about human reproduction, for a start. How do you explain that? Look, the onus is not on the rationalist to conclusively disprove each and every outlandish theory / belief / daydream that contradicts physics and all provable science. Reincarnation and "earlier lives" fall well outside what we know to be true, so you must prove it to me, not the other way around.

Bertrand Russell describes this syndrome well in his lecture, "Why I am not a Christian".

“If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.”


Reincarnation is in exactly the same category.

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This logic may well satisfy you but for me it leaves out the possibility that, for instance, we haven't asked the right questions. For me, there is a need to explain the immense amount of reported experiences of all kinds that has collected over the years all over the world.

In my opinion we need to listen more to what people say and try to define in some way what it may mean. Calling people's experiences mumbo-jumbo won't get us anywhere.
The problem is that these are never, ever, ever corroborate-able 'experiences'. All we have are anecdotes. If you are already a believer, you will latch onto the anecdotes of others as "proof".

Did you read this rather sad story recently? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6483432.html
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Re: Remembering Your Former Life

In my own defence let me say that I never said there is such a thing as reincarnation or fairies. What I said (I hope) was that people who say 'baloney' to something should really be able to explain why they readily use such a word about a subject of which they probably have not informed themselves.


Richard Dawkins said 'we don't know what we don't know' . This seems to me to be a fairly good way of considering seemingly odd or strange or mysterious happenings - that's why we should listen to what is being said - maybe we'd learn something.
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Old 02.02.2015, 15:50
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In my own defence let me say that I never said there is such a thing as reincarnation or fairies.
Maybe you would like to try this quiz, compiled by Doreen Virtue, author of Earth Angels. I tried the quiz and was amazed to discover that I am not a fairy after all. However, my high score (80%) indicates that I might nevertheless be an Angel or a Wise One.

So, obviously quite chuffed about that.

Have a go. Doreen tells you afterwards what the correct answers are, so you can go back and correct them. Go on; you've nothing to lose, except perhaps your intellectual integrity.
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