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Old 09.04.2015, 08:26
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"That has just been a Party Election Broadcast on behalf of the Green Party".
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Good job they tore down those forests, that enables cattle to graze there, freeing up space for huge battery chicken farms to be built and ensuring a constant supply of broiler chickens for KFC.
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Let me just rush to the rescue...

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Re: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...

I see some excellent use of land, some canny commercial thinking and lots of houses for ordinary working people to live in.


Am I supposed to be throwing my hands up in horror at all the foul teeming masses or something?


Obviously a programme of mass sterilisation and genocide is in order to satisfy the Attenborough types...
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Obviously a programme of mass sterilisation and genocide is in order to satisfy the Attenborough types...
That was tried 70 years ago - but because it targetted a specific group of people rather than just randomly culling the population it wasn't overly popular.
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Am I supposed to be throwing my hands up in horror at all the foul teeming masses or something?
No, but you're supposed to feel something... other than smug.
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Re: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...

Well feeling depressed never helped anyone. Sign a petition from your desk at work, it'll make you feel much better
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Old 09.04.2015, 12:08
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Am I supposed to be throwing my hands up in horror at all the foul teeming masses or something?
I don't throw up my arms in horror - but those kind of pictures do make me think of the waste from over-consumption on our planet.

Half the people in the western world seem to be stuffing their faces half the time and then going on some ridiculous fad diet to remove all that excess fat.
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Well feeling depressed never helped anyone. Sign a petition from your desk at work, it'll make you feel much better
Maybe not depressed, but concern for the planet or perhaps appreciation for the well managed, beautiful and clean country that we live in. A sense of gratitude and realization of the privilege that we are afforded would not be out of place either.

Or we can just carry on being smug and pretend that there is nothing we can do about it and that educating humanity and generations to come about how to appreciate and preserve nature is a poncy, pinko waste of time.
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Re: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...

I agree whole heartedly, but unless you actually get off your arse and do something then you are just going to be a part of the problem, not the solution. No point being depressed if you don't do your bit


And I agree some responses on here don't reflect the concern we should have for this. But this is English Forum Switzerland, not an environment site. But we could discuss noise pollution from lawn mowers on a Saturday morning in Thalwil if you like?
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Re: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...

Like most of us I have a car too. But when I saw these pictures this morning the Geneva Motor Show came into my mind - where someone representing the motor industry said that in 2015 there will be substantial growth - and then added that 50-60 million cars will be manufactured in 2015.


Are we nuts?
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Like most of us I have a car too. But when I saw these pictures this morning the Geneva Motor Show came into my mind - where someone representing the motor industry said that in 2015 there will be substantial growth - and then added that 50-60 million cars will be manufactured in 2015.


Are we nuts?
What point are you actually trying to make? Or is this just a scattergun rant against consumerism? Overpopulation? Polution?

50-60m cars will be made because, here is the astonishing part, 50-60m cars will be sold, with the majority being sold to households which currently have a zero car ownership rate. Between 1999 and 2009 the ownership rate in the far east grew by 400%!! Bloody Chinese what is wrong with the bicycle???

We can't preach restraint to developing economies following our decades of excess, and where their populations easily outnumber ours the impact will be far greater. You are welcome to try and stand up to the runaway train, but don't expect it to make much difference.
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What point are you actually trying to make? Or is this just a scattergun rant against consumerism? Overpopulation? Polution?

50-60m cars will be made because, here is the astonishing part, 50-60m cars will be sold, with the majority being sold to households which currently have a zero car ownership rate. Between 1999 and 2009 the ownership rate in the far east grew by 400%!! Bloody Chinese what is wrong with the bicycle???

We can't preach restraint to developing economies following our decades of excess, and where their populations easily outnumber ours the impact will be far greater. You are welcome to try and stand up to the runaway train, but don't expect it to make much difference.

Well we know all that, that's why I said right at the beginning that I have a car too, thus attempting to avoid any clever responses. Nor is there any sense in making lists of what we know. My point would be that as we can see, for instance by these photo's in the Guardian, we just can't go on in the same old way churning out the same old excuses for not changing anything. Better to make a start somewhere with something instead of hoping it will all go away.
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Better to make a start somewhere with something instead of hoping it will all go away.
So Where and What do you suggest? Pointing out problems is easy, and pushing them in people's faces doesn't really count as doing something in my book.
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Better to make a start somewhere with something instead of hoping it will all go away.
Excellent - we'll enjoy your "car for sale" advert when it appears
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Re: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...

In 1973 we were told there were only 25 years left, which was why the Arabs were quadrupling the price of crude oil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

Since then we have learned to live with an expensive raw material, instead of moving into caves with candles as the green party was predicting.

We need to stop the people reproducing. The Chinese almost managed it, why can't the EF?
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Excellent - we'll enjoy your "car for sale" advert when it appears
Exactly - one of those 'clever' but nevertheless expected, pointless, non-problem solving replies.


Well Ace1, here's a couple.


No matter what we would decide upon (and that would be the first of many hurdles) to start with it would be unpopular. So let's say we (the world's governments included) start by saying there will not be any more roads constructed, or that tax has to be paid on aeroplane kerosene or that meat will be rationed, or that it's only allowed to have one car per family. And these restrictions would be only the start of many until other solutions appear. Then we'd have to prepare ourselves to accept the consequences and stick with them - no exceptions.


There are plenty more suggestions too - the lobbies can tell you all about them.
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So Where and What do you suggest? Pointing out problems is easy, and pushing them in people's faces doesn't really count as doing something in my book.
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Exactly - one of those 'clever' but nevertheless expected, pointless, non-problem solving replies.


Well Ace1, here's a couple.


No matter what we would decide upon (and that would be the first of many hurdles) to start with it would be unpopular. So let's say we (the world's governments included) start by saying there will not be any more roads constructed, or that tax has to be paid on aeroplane kerosene or that meat will be rationed, or that it's only allowed to have one car per family. And these restrictions would be only the start of many until other solutions appear. Then we'd have to prepare ourselves to accept the consequences and stick with them - no exceptions.


There are plenty more suggestions too - the lobbies can tell you all about them.
But what are YOU going to do?
What do YOU consider the biggest problems? And what are YOUR suggestions to resolve them?

Your original post is just a link to pictures which are there to make the middle classes go "oh darling, we really ought to buy locally sourced steak for dinner."

Just not giving up the Malbec to go with it or the Kenyan grown and air-freighted mange-tout
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