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An Accident Waiting to Happen - Paris Cyclists to Skip Red Lights

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33446899

While I can see the logic of right turns, providing they give way to cars, letting them ride straight across a junction when cars coming the other way have priority is simply asking for an accident. Note that the trial period is happening between July and September when most of Paris will be away on holiday so less traffic to start with.
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Old 08.07.2015, 22:11
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Re: An Accident Waiting to Happen - Paris Cyclists to Skip Red Lights

If you look at the link you gave, which it seems you didn't, it lets cyclists turn right against a red light and to go straight ahead at t-junctions where there are no cars crossing the path. It also implies this will only be allowed where there is a cycle lane (so cars turning into the road won't get close to the kerb anyway).

Both ideas are good.

In Basel we're allowed to turn right at many junctions (yellow bike signs show where this is allowed) although most cyclists seem unaware and I have to overtake them and cut in front to turn right. I point at the sign and they sometimes get it.
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Re: An Accident Waiting to Happen - Paris Cyclists to Skip Red Lights

The article also says that the new rules will only be allowed at junctions where there's a bicycle-specific filter, and that bikes will still have to give way to pedestrians.
Honestly don't see the problem myself, and I'm a dyed in the blood foot soldier.
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Old 08.07.2015, 22:48
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Re: An Accident Waiting to Happen - Paris Cyclists to Skip Red Lights

You mean some cyclists stop at red lights?
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If you look at the link you gave, which it seems you didn't, it lets cyclists turn right against a red light and to go straight ahead at t-junctions where there are no cars crossing the path. It also implies this will only be allowed where there is a cycle lane (so cars turning into the road won't get close to the kerb anyway).

Both ideas are good.

In Basel we're allowed to turn right at many junctions (yellow bike signs show where this is allowed) although most cyclists seem unaware and I have to overtake them and cut in front to turn right. I point at the sign and they sometimes get it.
I did look at the link and the schematics. Number one does make sense, number 2 doesn't. Why would cyclists need to go through a red light if there are no cars crossing their path anyway? They would do that on a green light at present so no need to jump a red one. Plus if you had looked closely you can see the green light for the car heading across the junction in the second schematic!

Too many cyclists ignore lights as it is without giving them a "reason" to do so.
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Re: An Accident Waiting to Happen - Paris Cyclists to Skip Red Lights



If you look at the images it makes sense, also in the road they're getting on they drew bicycle lanes that way there's no risk of conflict with the cars, in the second schematic there's a bike lane before and after exactly to avoid the problem you mention. Cyclists would only have to care for bus and trucks which may also need the bike lane space, but they are very careful and go slow anyway at intersections.
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If you look at the images it makes sense, also in the road they're getting on they drew bicycle lanes that way there's no risk of conflict with the cars, in the second schematic there's a bike lane before and after exactly to avoid the problem you mention. Cyclists would only have to care for bus and trucks which may also need the bike lane space, but they are very careful and go slow anyway at intersections.
It's got nothing to do with having a cycle lane. They are crossing the junction against the lights! There will be cars crossing the junction as they have a green light and therefore priority.

Seems like you all need your eyes testing. This is an accident waiting to happen.
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Re: An Accident Waiting to Happen - Paris Cyclists to Skip Red Lights

maybe like this is more clear? blue arrow is the cyclist trajectory, red arrow the car's, passing in the same moment, they don't ever touch each other.
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It's got nothing to do with having a cycle lane. They are crossing the junction against the lights! There will be cars crossing the junction as they have a green light and therefore priority.

Seems like you all need your eyes testing. This is an accident waiting to happen.
No, you do. It's not a crossroads, it's a t-junction. The car gets to the junction and has a green light to turn left. The cyclist (who has a special light saying he/she can go straight on) goes straight on. The cycle lane keeps the car and bike separate. As for your surprise that the cyclist is going through a red light ... that's the entire point.

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Too many cyclists ignore lights as it is without giving them a "reason" to do so.
ok, so it's just your anti-cyclist prejudice which is stopping you from getting this. You do have a point that some cyclists go through red lights (or in Basel's case cycle around them on the pavement; pisses me off) but the reality is that this tends to annoy people waiting at the lights (ie me as I have to overtake the f/ckers again) rather than cause any actual damage/problem.
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Old 08.07.2015, 23:42
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Re: An Accident Waiting to Happen - Paris Cyclists to Skip Red Lights

This already exists, in a way, in Bern. At certain junctions, bikes have a separate light, allowing them to proceed when vehicular traffic is still on red.
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Re: An Accident Waiting to Happen - Paris Cyclists to Skip Red Lights

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It's got nothing to do with having a cycle lane. They are crossing the junction against the lights! There will be cars crossing the junction as they have a green light and therefore priority.

Seems like you all need your eyes testing. This is an accident waiting to happen.
Funny it's you who need and eye test, and the bike lane is to make sure bikes dont interfere with cars turning left
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Re: An Accident Waiting to Happen - Paris Cyclists to Skip Red Lights

now i get it.....traffic lights...
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