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Old 25.08.2015, 16:54
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I think the core demographic of Ashley Madison is deeply unhappy people, who perhaps feel trapped, unloved, unfulfilled etc... therefore already more inclined to suicide than your average happily married individual.
Isn't "happily married" an oxymoron?
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Old 25.08.2015, 16:55
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Sorry, I should have been more explicit.

The low number of incidents vs what should be expected from a pure numbers perspective (though Tom does indeed have a point here, 20-50 year old males [80% of AM customers are male] may differ sigificantly from the raw male average I used), should give reason to pause.

Correlation isn't proof of causation.
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...or... if they left a note saying it was because of this?
The police would be* well aware of the risk of linking a suicide to an event and making that link. Therefore, I have assumed that they have specific information to link the hack with the suicides beyond mere coincidence.

*I would hope.

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I think the core demographic of Ashley Madison is deeply unhappy people, who perhaps feel trapped, unloved, unfulfilled etc... therefore already more inclined to suicide than your average happily married individual.
Meh. You'd need more data (i.e. suicide rates before and after) in the AM population. You need to hack their old databases to work that one out
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Old 25.08.2015, 16:58
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Isn't "happily married" an oxymoron?
Well I'm happily married, can't speak for my missus
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Old 25.08.2015, 17:00
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Well I'm happily married, can't speak for my missus
Based on her AM profile she's not
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Old 25.08.2015, 17:11
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Based on her AM profile she's not
Spend a lot of time reading AM profiles do you Kenneth?
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Old 25.08.2015, 17:15
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...or... if they left a note saying it was because of this?
Even then - they may have topped themselves that day for some other reason, had the hack not happened.

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Isn't "happily married" an oxymoron?
Only for your spouse.
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Old 25.08.2015, 17:23
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Re: Ashley Madison website hacked

All the grovelling about the NSA and privacy, yet people are littering the public Internet with personal details. Some even tell Facebook what they have for lunch. Who needs the NSA when people are doing it for themselves?
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Old 25.08.2015, 18:38
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The police would be* well aware of the risk of linking a suicide to an event and making that link. Therefore, I have assumed that they have specific information to link the hack with the suicides beyond mere coincidence.

*I would hope.
The linked article mentions no hard info. Actually, it's not even certain the deaths are actually suicides. If there was a note it certainly would have been mentioned during the press conference.

The story is based on nothing but conjecture.
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Old 25.08.2015, 18:46
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Relatively naive/idealistic way of putting things, don't you think?

Many people sign up for this kind of thing knowing it is "wrong", otherwise why do it in secret?
No, not convinced about the naivety point. It has a membership of lets say 20million, rather than the published list to account for fakes etc. maybe even 10 million. If you book a holiday with a company that's got 10 million customers, would you give them your credit card details for the transaction ? Or would you stop and think 'now way, you might have 10 million customers but if I give you my credit card your easily going to get that nicked and splash the details for all and sundry to download'. They weren't a corner shop, they were a multimillion pound business, regardless of the area they dealt with.


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Maybe it might help people grow up? As a society, I don't think we do that well in terms of ethics & morals. But as always, you only see the very worst. Given that there are over 7 bn people on the planet what you see on the internet is the very worst (& best) on offer. So a potential bias there.

Although I take your point re revenge porn etc., I have little sympathy for self-inflicted idiocy and the constant need to share your thoughts. For example, any news report now has to have the obligatory "tweets" from a couple random people who know nothing about the topic but have an opinion anyway.
Its fairly straightforward to say you have little sympathy with idiocy if you have never, ever, in your life done anything slightly idiotic. the remaining 99.9999999% of people who have however, now often have a reasonable chance that a permanent record is being made of it, which will be around potentially forever. In the end, you'll get what you want because no one will do anything idiotic, or out of the ordinary, because of the possibility of its publicity, which isn't a good thing if you ask me.
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But to bastardise a well-known truism, maybe "we get the internet we deserve"?

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We have the internet we get to without governance, i.e. people acting in anarchy with no basic rules, which also isnt a good thing in my view.

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Old 27.08.2015, 18:26
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Re: Ashley Madison website hacked

http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-th...ase-1725558944

Those usage statistics are pretty eye-opening. For those too lazy to read, there were basically no real women on AM. It's like an infidelity pyramid scheme.

A reddit user described how their business model works:
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[]malvoliosf 112 points 3 years ago Not really question, but I want to make sure that everyone else knows what Mr Biderman knows. There are few or no women on Ashley Madison. Ads and messages "from" women are in fact from employees of Ashley Madison. The business model is fairly simple. The would-be adulterer buys the privilege of sending X messages, say 50 for $100. He uses them to respond to ads supposedly from women (unbeknownst to him, of course, they are just plants). When he starts to run low, one of his messages will be answered. A woman who is, miraculously, exactly what he was looking for and lives nearby, will start up a conversation with him. Things will be looking really good just when he runs out of messages. He'll have to buy a whole new package of 50 or 100 but someone that women will never as responsive -- until he starts running low again. Personally, I think it's a pretty sleazy business, but what the hell. (No, I'm not a victim. I used to run an honest dating site.)
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Old 27.08.2015, 18:35
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Re: Ashley Madison website hacked

I was surprised to read that there are 929 names on the list from Hastings, Sussex out of a population of around 90,000
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Old 27.08.2015, 18:46
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I was surprised to read that there are 929 names on the list from Hastings, Sussex out of a population of around 90,000
Not impossible. 90'000 / 900 * 30 Millions = World population - Africa - China - India.

Plausible.
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Old 27.08.2015, 20:44
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Re: Ashley Madison website hacked

On the point of using my credit card .. I use it multiple times per week online, various outlets.. And yes, every one of them no matter how secure are hack targets and I accept that my details have a good chance of being stolen either by some distant hacker or more likely by an employee. It's a risk I'm happy to take because although it would be inconvenient, it's easily fixable. It's a fact of modern convenient online life. I think the same about my email, my online banking, the photos i store in the cloud and the things I write in public here of EF.

If i thought any of these actions would cause my world to collapse if they went wrong -- I wouldn't do it, simple as that. Your online footprint should be considered only mostly private. Access to even the most totally secure thing is only a matter of resource and time, if somebody has both it's game over.

So yes the owners of AM should be held responsible for misleading people over privacy .. But we all must take responsibility for our own actions too and know what we're getting into.

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No, not convinced about the naivety point. It has a membership of lets say 20million, rather than the published list to account for fakes etc. maybe even 10 million. If you book a holiday with a company that's got 10 million customers, would you give them your credit card details for the transaction ? Or would you stop and think 'now way, you might have 10 million customers but if I give you my credit card your easily going to get that nicked and splash the details for all and sundry to download'. They weren't a corner shop, they were a multimillion pound business, regardless of the area they dealt with.




Its fairly straightforward to say you have little sympathy with idiocy if you have never, ever, in your life done anything slightly idiotic. the remaining 99.9999999% of people who have however, now often have a reasonable chance that a permanent record is being made of it, which will be around potentially forever. In the end, you'll get what you want because no one will do anything idiotic, or out of the ordinary, because of the possibility of its publicity, which isn't a good thing if you ask me.


We have the internet we get to without governance, i.e. people acting in anarchy with no basic rules, which also isnt a good thing in my view.
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Re: Ashley Madison website hacked

Hahaha, the subscribers were real losers: 20 million, 1.500 women

http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-th...ase-1725558944


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Re: Ashley Madison website hacked

There is no free lunch.
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Old 28.08.2015, 23:02
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Problems at home can lead to infidelity

Fidelity from first day of relationship to end of life? Not realistic, sorry.


Many men coming to my practice talk about their private life and moan about the missing sex at home and that is why they are looking for affairs or go to brothels ecc... Some women as from 40 years seem to loose interest in intimacy or earlier according to my clients. So what shall the man or woman in the same situation do in that case for the next 20years? Any suggestions for the missing intimacy at home?


As long as couples do not talk enough about the desires they have and try and find solutions for the problems in their marriage these Dating sites will always be full of men who are not singles. Of course there are some singles on these sites, too but they don't have to fear a row with the girl-friend or wife at home.


To all the women who found out the husband was on one of these sites or even met another woman secretly: think over your married life and talk to him why he did it. It always takes 2 for problems in the relationship. If he has what he needs at home he probably wouldn`t look for it outside...
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Old 28.08.2015, 23:09
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Fidelity from first day of relationship to end of life? Not realistic, sorry.
Have you considered, perhaps, that your sample might be somewhat skewed?
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Old 29.08.2015, 10:09
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Fidelity from first day of relationship to end of life? Not realistic, sorry.
Complete. Utter. Nonsense.

No only is your dataset skewed, but your logic is so off, it's hard to know where to start to critique it.

Meanwhile, back on topic, it seems that AM charge $19 to remove members details permanently, and didn't do it. They removed things like name but kept data like: weight, height, d.o.b., gps coordinates...
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Old 29.08.2015, 10:20
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Re: Ashley Madison website hacked

statistically, about 70% of married men have cheated on their wives. the statistics are about the same for married women.

it seemed a little high to me, but i guess if you consider cheating as broader than just sex, then it is plausible.

*according to studies done by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shere_Hite in the 90s.
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Old 29.08.2015, 11:41
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Re: Ashley Madison website hacked

Ashley Madison is proving to be a fraud and scam. I'm expecting the Canadian Mounties to charge its founder, Noel Biderman, with fraud in the coming weeks.
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