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Old 23.09.2015, 15:28
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Artificial Intelligence

When computers become sentient, do you think they will think and behave like humans?
Do you think they should have rights and if so should their rights be equal to humans or more similar to those of animals? Do you think they could be the next stage in evolution? Do you think they could transcend the destructive nature of humans or would they inherit/replicate that instinct to take over and become the new ultimate apex predator?

I've been reading this http://arxiv.org/pdf/1506.05869v2.pdf

To me some of the machine's response appears to have been influenced by a human with a particular personality ("Immorality is the fact that you have a child", "if you're not a believer in God almighty then you don't know the meaning of morality")

I think I would be in favour of true sentient machines with equal rights, but if they are constructed to think like humans, particularly humans with attitudes like that, then the idea seems rather ominous...
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Old 23.09.2015, 15:40
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

I think we are a long way from computer sentience. But AI must be one of the most exciting areas of computer research right now and one with perhaps one of the biggest developments to come over the next decades with the greatest potential impacts on human society.

I was reading this paper yesterday:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1509.01549

linked from this article:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view...tional-master/

At the moment, humans are still laying down the representative models to aid computer learning. But when AI development improves so that they find the optimal representations themselves to learn, then the process will require less human interaction and machines can have the capacity to learn independently of humans.
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Old 23.09.2015, 16:09
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

When computers become sentient, will they have humour?

When my computer doesn't like the way I type, because it hurts its feelings, I must change my ways. Or a spinal tap is a wiretap.

This topic reminds me of "Shadows" by John Saul, read when I was a young teen. I wonder if we could do that one day - connect our own neurons - it is electrical impulses after all - to those of a machine.
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Old 23.09.2015, 16:19
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

That link wouldn't open for me.

But for me a big question is the definition of sentience.

Do we know what causes sentience in humans?
How would we know that a machine has it?

One can't just confuse a very complex software structure with sentience.
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Old 23.09.2015, 16:33
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That link wouldn't open for me.

But for me a big question is the definition of sentience.

Do we know what causes sentience in humans?
How would we know that a machine has it?

One can't just confuse a very complex software structure with sentience.


When a computer can ride a bicycle, while smelling the musty leaves, whistling a favourite tune, and alternate between thinking about whether it's actions yesterday were right, and what it would like to make for dinner tomorrow, then I will be willing to contemplate calling it sentient.


Personally I don't think AI will manage to get through the barrier of digital ADS. ADS is almost predestined with huge memory, accurate recall, fast switching times and enough sensors.
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Old 23.09.2015, 16:51
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That link wouldn't open for me.

But for me a big question is the definition of sentience.

Do we know what causes sentience in humans?
How would we know that a machine has it?

One can't just confuse a very complex software structure with sentience.
The big question is, are we actually sentient, or is it merely an illusion that we experience.
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Old 23.09.2015, 16:57
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The big question is, are we actually sentient, or is it merely an illusion that we experience.
Does reality exist? The answer to both is that we can't know. So we might as well live as though we are sentient and reality does exists.

Artificial human-like intelligence may never be achieved. What is far more interesting to me is non-human-like artificial intelligence. What will be its goals, if any? Perhaps most importantly - will it like us?
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The big question is, are we actually sentient.
Maybe a sentient AI may answer the question with a big NO.
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Old 23.09.2015, 17:08
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Does reality exist? The answer to both is that we can't know. So we might as well live as though we are sentient and reality does exists.

Artificial human-like intelligence may never be achieved. What is far more interesting to me is non-human-like artificial intelligence. What will be its goals, if any? Perhaps most importantly - will it like us?
Funnily enough there's actually some serious research going on to try to find out if the universe is actually a 3 dimensional universe or simply that we experience a 3D holographic projection from a 2 dimensional universe - similar to those holograms on credit cards etc.
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The big question is, are we actually sentient, or is it merely an illusion that we experience.
I think, therefore I may be a figment of my own imagination. Or someone else's.
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Funnily enough there's actually some serious research going on to try to find out if the universe is actually a 3 dimensional universe or simply that we experience a 3D holographic projection from a 2 dimensional universe - similar to those holograms on credit cards etc.
Tell me more about this! I remember Laurence Krauss explaining why the universe is flat (I struggled to wrap my head completely around this concept but fascinating nonetheless) is it similar to that?

Or similar to the notion that the self is an illusion and we are not individual beings but rather one conscious energy? Maybe we are already the computers!
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Old 24.09.2015, 11:49
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Or Boltzmann Brains
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I think I would be in favour of true sentient machines with equal rights, but if they are constructed to think like humans, particularly humans with attitudes like that, then the idea seems rather ominous...
Lets see... Ok the salaries for the people who will build it are going to be very high. Very etc etc.

So what kind of people do you think that is going to attract? Mate you will have people working on the project that are not qualified to do the job but very qualified in getting themselves into a position of power and money. Lol. Should call the project FIFA 2.

Ever seen blade runner? If not watch it.

I get a feeling that anything built to be artificialy intelligent is not going to ponder much over wether to let us live or vaporize. I see that decision making process lasting 0.00000000000000000000000001 of a second.

Sometimes we do things because of our religious beliefs. Like flying a plane into a torpedo that was heading towards a navy ship. This happened in WW2 folks. Anyone see a CPU doing that if it is not programmed to do so?

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I get a feeling that anything built to be artificialy intelligent is not going to ponder much over wether to let us live or vaporize. I see that decision making process lasting 0.00000000000000000000000001 of a second.

Sometimes we do things because of our religious beliefs. Like flying a plane into a torpedo that was heading towards a navy ship. This happened in WW2 folks. Anyone see a CPU doing that if it is not programmed to do so?

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Perhaps we need to start hard coding in Asimov's 3 Laws. We might last a bit longer than a fraction of a second then!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

If you consider the millions of users of the internet then you could say that the internet has a consciousness.
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