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Old 02.10.2015, 08:39
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Paul Walker's daughter suing Porsche

I wouldn't usually post these types of things, but this story really irritates me. Paul Walker was in a a Porsche Carrera GT being driven recklessly at twice the speed limit when it crashed into 3 trees killing both occupants. Now the daughter is suing Porsche for not having a suitable traction control system etc etc. When will people take responsibility for their own actions? Terrible accident and sad loss, but Porsche's fault?
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Now the daughter is suing Porsche for not having a suitable traction control system etc etc.
I am surprised she isn't also suing Top Gear - where on every episode JC and Co turn off traction control or berate manufacturers who don't allow you to.

The lawyer who came up with the idea is a genius because he'll get paid - but she's a fool if she believes it will go anywhere.
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Old 02.10.2015, 09:16
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Re: Paul Walker's daughter suing Porsche

It's America (even worse - California) .... what do you expect.

Someone smells money and 'persuades' a minor (daughter is 16) to file a law suit.

"Design flaws", apparently, prevented the seriously injured, but not dead, actor from exiting the vehicle, before it was engulfed in flames.
Something about the seatbelt snapping his torso back with 'thousands of pounds of force' breaking his ribs and pelvis.

Throwing it into a concrete lamppost and bouncing into trees probably didn't help.

Lawyers are citing that this model has a history of stability and control issues and should have been fitted with a stability management system, found on other Porsche models.
Estimated speeds by law enforcement are also being disputed.

Likely to be only one beneficiary here - the law firm.
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Old 02.10.2015, 09:28
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Lawyers are citing that this model has a history of stability and control issues and should have been fitted with a stability management system, found on other Porsche models.
Reviews of the Carrera GT at the time mentioned that the handling at the limit can be a bit snappy and that the progression from going effing quickly in the right direction into going effing quickly into a solid object can happen with little warning. Saying that, in recent reviews of the car - retrospective reviews - the handling appears to have been resolved by improvements in tyre technology and that the Carrera GT is no longer the snap happy death machine it was when new.

The other thing worth remembering is that the 5.7l v10 engine is very high revving which means that downshifts thats aren't adequately rev-matched can significently destabilise the car.

Saying all that, it is worth remembering that any RWD car trying to put over 300ps down can feel twitchy if it isn't driven with a level of consideration, driving inputs should always be progressive and too often drivers expect the systems to fix problems their right foot gets them into.

For me the Carrera GT is the most desirable of the 3 hypercars from that era (Enzo, Carrera GT, SLR) and not simply because the centre wheels nuts are different colours on each side (Topaz and Ruby).
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In September 2015, Walker's daughter filed a suit against Porsche for wrongful death of her father claiming that the sports car that her father was in had numerous design defects.
One might level that accusation at a Kia or Dacia, but Porsche... "design defects"... seriously?!

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Saying all that, it is worth remembering that any RWD car trying to put over 300ps down can feel twitchy if it isn't driven with a level of consideration, driving inputs should always be progressive and too often drivers expect the systems to fix problems their right foot gets them into.
Quite. People buying these cars are well aware of what they are buying. And if not, well... what can they expect?
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Re: Paul Walker's daughter suing Porsche

Sad.. and ridiculous... I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the car owner was using tyres that were really old and unsuitable... maybe for a few hundred dollars it might have been different.
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Old 02.10.2015, 09:41
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Re: Paul Walker's daughter suing Porsche

Not only her, Rodas' widow filed a similar claim last year.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34387471
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Re: Paul Walker's daughter suing Porsche

Im sure that, had they driven at 50km ph in the 50km ph zone, then the outcome would have been very different.
This is crazy.
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I would sue the tree that the car crashed into. The tree has obviously intentionally positioned himself at an unsafe condition. The tree should have known about the road and the possibility that people in supersports cars may crash.
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Re: Paul Walker's daughter suing Porsche

Sue the seatbelt manufacturers too..
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Re: Paul Walker's daughter suing Porsche

Sue Sir Isaac Newton and his descendants. With Zero Newton Walker would be still alive.
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Re: Paul Walker's daughter suing Porsche

More money than sense & unscrupulous lawyer profiting from her grief.
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Re: Paul Walker's daughter suing Porsche

A friend put on to watch F&F7 much to scepticism about this movie and yes it turned out to be a howler.

Anyway at the end was a montage of clips shown from previous movies of his driving stunts etc. in tribute.

I found this a tad ironic given the way he died and maybe should have been driving fast cars on public roads at high speeds showing off perhaps isnt the best idea.
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I found this a tad ironic given the way he died and maybe should have been driving fast cars on public roads at high speeds showing off perhaps isnt the best idea.
You'd look really stupid with that post if Paul Walker was the passenger

I can't believe they aren't sueing the company that made Roda's shoes

I have walked out of a crash where (according to the onboard telemtry) was still doing 90mph when I went into a barrier head on - and was slung back out again. But that was in a fully caged race-car after the rear diff let go and locked the back of the car. I have also clocked 170mph in a road car and at that speed, if something goes wrong you're not going to walk out of it alive.

According to police the accident happened at 90mph - what isn't clear is whether that is the impact speed or not. Intertia seat belts just aren't designed to take a 90-0mph - the only way you'll have a chance of prevent such injury is with a 6-point harness (prevent something call submarining) and a HANS device (prevent whiplash). Considering the car Carrera GT is fitted with 380mm carbon-ceramic brakes - I'd be surprised if speeds hadn't been considerably higher. I have one car that runs 374mm front and 370mm rear - and I know how quickly it can shed speed.

Anyway - for those who want to know how much force it takes to "banana" a caged chassis.
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Re: Paul Walker's daughter suing Porsche

The guy who crashed the car was a professional driver. The GT is (in)famous for its behaviour as it really is the closest thing to a race car when it comes to hypercars. I bet that's the exact reason the guys were driving it in the first place. I really hope that this gets thrown out of court in style or any reasonable company really has to rethink if they want to do business in the US...
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Re: Paul Walker's daughter suing Porsche

Crazy ain't? It's like suing film industry for showing sequels of the "Fast and Furious" or "Need for Speed" because one of ours believed in stunts to be way of driving in real life and had accident on his own. I'm sorry for loss of great guy and actor but you should all have known the limits better.

Soon there will be coming amendment to throttle limits in sport cars industry

Now please excuse me. I'm busy preparing court case involving that damned instructor from California who posted a stretching video on YouTube. I pulled my lower back muscles last night while watching it and it hurts like hell when pooping.
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I would sue the tree that the car crashed into. The tree has obviously intentionally positioned himself at an unsafe condition. The tree should have known about the road and the possibility that people in supersports cars may crash.
I wave to my tree everytime I drive past- it is almost as badly scarred as I am- but we both survived. Next December will 45 years- I shall go and put a big bow and flowers on that tree on 22nd December. And I never sued the friend who was driving the car on slushy snow- she did something stupid and I paid the price, it could perhaps have been the other way round another day.

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It's America (even worse - California) .... what do you expect.

Someone smells money and 'persuades' a minor (daughter is 16) to file a law suit.

"Design flaws", apparently, prevented the seriously injured, but not dead, actor from exiting the vehicle, before it was engulfed in flames.
Something about the seatbelt snapping his torso back with 'thousands of pounds of force' breaking his ribs and pelvis.

Throwing it into a concrete lamppost and bouncing into trees probably didn't help.

Lawyers are citing that this model has a history of stability and control issues and should have been fitted with a stability management system, found on other Porsche models.
Estimated speeds by law enforcement are also being disputed.

Likely to be only one beneficiary here - the law firm.
I'd sue Walker's parents for passing on the 'stupid' gene. The kid looks like she got it as well.

ANY high-performance car in the hands of a reckless driver is a challenge. I prefer to preserve my sympathy for victims of real accidents rather than excess testosterone. Sounds like Darwin at work.
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I'd sue Walker's parents for passing on the 'stupid' gene. The kid looks like she got it as well.

ANY high-performance car in the hands of a reckless driver is a challenge. I prefer to preserve my sympathy for victims of real accidents rather than excess testosterone. Sounds like Darwin at work.
Couldn't agree more.

This guy being as "famous" as he is/was surely had enough money and/or street cred to take this car to a race track and either pay for the privilege or use his kudos to get free track time and thrash the hell out of this car in a safe(r) place and behave like a knob with his mates.

There's a time and place for everything. Built up areas are quite obviously, even to most dim-witted moron, are not the place to be driving a fast car like a c0ck-end.

So you cut your finger with a kitchen knife, do you try sue Migros for selling the knife or the knife maker for making the knife too sharp? This kind of litigious attitude makes modern life just ridiculous. People have to accept if they do stupid things, then accept the consequences.

The only saving grace is that there were no innocent pedestrians or other road users sucked into the accident.
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Re: Paul Walker's daughter suing Porsche

Exactly- haven't got a clue who Paul Walker is anyhow? Who the **** is Paul Walker (I know who Alice is ).
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