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Choice...

I've been musing about the nature of choice recently - the choices we have in front of us and the repercussions of the choices we have already made.


Mostly this is triggered by shopping-roulette as I wonder if "my" brand will be the one on the shelf...


Thoughts... opinions... anything off the trolley?

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Old 10.10.2015, 19:30
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Re: Choice...

The psychology of choice, eg strategy vs randomness surely is a riveting topic.
I can recommend this interview of Ruth Chang (philosopher on hard choice) about the difference between incommensurate and incompatible choices, as well as this lively piece by Michael Schulson on the gains from choosing at random, wonderfully illustrated by the Kantu’s ornithology example.
I've read "How we decide" by Jonah Lehrer and found it brilliant.
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Old 10.10.2015, 19:38
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Re: Choice...

I wouldn't worry about choice as everything has already been mapped out for you before you were born ..... you're just following a pre-determined path, where every time you think you're making what you believe to be a free choice, the outcome had already been decided.
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I wouldn't worry about choice as everything has already been mapped out for you before you were born ..... you're just following a pre-determined path, where every time you think you're making what you believe to be a free choice, the outcome had already been decided.
Really? So I guess we can all start to believe in clairvoyance and the maps of the sky?

I actually think it's all on us. Whatever decision you make, you get a result. Other decision, other result. I not believing in God or anything higher so maybe that's why I think deferently, we are all responsible of our own choices and actions.
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Old 11.10.2015, 23:21
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I wouldn't worry about choice as everything has already been mapped out for you before you were born ..... you're just following a pre-determined path, where every time you think you're making what you believe to be a free choice, the outcome had already been decided.




Really? Even in Ikea?


That puts a whole new spin on the unit we bought for the kitchen the other week...
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I wouldn't worry about choice as everything has already been mapped out for you before you were born ..... you're just following a pre-determined path, where every time you think you're making what you believe to be a free choice, the outcome had already been decided.
Indeed you are right. When I came to realise all this predetermined stuff, it was a massive relief. It has also saved me a huge amount of time too. For instance, before I had this knowledge, I used to, on crossing the road, stop at the edge of the pavement, look in all directions for traffic, and if clear, cross. Now that I know that my future is predestined, and I can do nothing to alter it, I simply cross the road without stopping or looking.
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Indeed you are right. When I came to realise all this predetermined stuff, it was a massive relief. It has also saved me a huge amount of time too. For instance, before I had this knowledge, I used to, on crossing the road, stop at the edge of the pavement, look in all directions for traffic, and if clear, cross. Now that I know that my future is predestined, and I can do nothing to alter it, I simply cross the road without stopping or looking.


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Old 13.10.2015, 00:42
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Re: Choice...

For me, one of the most empowering statements about choice I picked up while reading a book from Stephen Covey,s "7 Habits of Effective People". In it, he states we constantly encounter stimuli in our daily moments, and we do have some pre-programming on how we react to a stimulus. We often think that reaction to the stimulus is the only one there is, and the stimulus and reaction are one. But in it, he states that between a Stimulus and a Reaction, there is a moment or space of thought you can learn to use to decide how to react to it.
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Really? So I guess we can all start to believe in clairvoyance and the maps of the sky?

I actually think it's all on us. Whatever decision you make, you get a result. Other decision, other result. I not believing in God or anything higher so maybe that's why I think deferently, we are all responsible of our own choices and actions.
Almighty God says, ďLike all things, man unknowingly lives under the orchestration of Godís hand. The heart and spirit of man are held in the hand of God, and all the life of man is beheld in the eyes of God. Regardless of whether or not you believe this, any and all things, living or dead, will shift, change, renew, and disappear according to Godís thoughts. This is how God rules over all things.Ē (from The Word Appears in the Flesh)
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For me, one of the most empowering statements about choice I picked up while reading a book from Stephen Covey,s "7 Habits of Effective People". In it, he states we constantly encounter stimuli in our daily moments, and we do have some pre-programming on how we react to a stimulus. We often think that reaction to the stimulus is the only one there is, and the stimulus and reaction are one. But in it, he states that between a Stimulus and a Reaction, there is a moment or space of thought you can learn to use to decide how to react to it.


We have that book on one of our shelves - my husband's copy - I must do more than move it to get to my Pratchetts, clearly...
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Old 13.10.2015, 00:52
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Re: Choice...

That book is not completely about choice. More about priority and time management. But the section about the choices we make rang out for me.
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That book is not completely about choice. More about priority and time management. But the section about the choices we make rang out for me.


Even better - I don't need to read it all!
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Old 13.10.2015, 01:01
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Even better - I don't need to read it all!
Now THAT was a very effective choice.
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Now THAT was a very effective choice.



One tries...
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Re: Choice...

Believing in fatalism may take the burden of choice off your hands and perhaps makes it easier to live with regret, if you don't like the outcome.

Seems like both, deciding at random and over-thinking a problem with the scope of finding the 'best' choice have equal potential to obscure the authenticity of choice. While probabilities of positive outcomes vary from case to case, obviously neither approach guarantees happiness.

If you enjoy the TED Talks, there is one on the paradox of choice (youtube).
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Old 13.10.2015, 15:47
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Re: Choice...

"I wish I had chosen xxx instead" - how many times do we hear that? But of course it is always in hindsight - and you will never be back in the position to use the information you have after the decision to impact your choice.

Furthermore it could be argued that each decision we make is merely the only choice we could make having evaluated the outcome of the events that have happened prior to the decision. We are never privy to the outcomes of the choices not taken so we can't appraise whether the choice we made was indeed a good or a bad one.

We often hear of people who made "terrible life choices" and from our moral standpoint it is our interpretation of their destination, but rewind to the starting point of when that person made what we consider to be a bad choice and with the information they had at hand and their experiences of past decisions they will be doomed to make the same choice.

Bizarrely that doesn't stop people making decisions deliberately counter to what they would normally make but often these are made over near meaningless things, and will inadvertently raise as much angst as if they had made their "normal" decision.
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Re: Choice...

One key thing is that once you may a choice, know that YOU made a choice, and live happily with it. Worse thing in life to dwell on "should haves" and "could haves".
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Believing in fatalism may take the burden of choice off your hands and perhaps makes it easier to live with regret, if you don't like the outcome.

Seems like both, deciding at random and over-thinking a problem with the scope of finding the 'best' choice have equal potential to obscure the authenticity of choice. While probabilities of positive outcomes vary from case to case, obviously neither approach guarantees happiness.

If you enjoy the TED Talks, there is one on the paradox of choice (youtube).
If you enjoy the Talks, there is a recitation about choice. I wish you like it (youtube)..
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Re: Choice...

Thank you for the links. Will take a look.

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If you enjoy the Talks, there is a recitation about choice. I wish you like it (youtube)..
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Almighty God says, ďLike all things, man unknowingly lives under the orchestration of Godís hand. The heart and spirit of man are held in the hand of God, and all the life of man is beheld in the eyes of God. Regardless of whether or not you believe this, any and all things, living or dead, will shift, change, renew, and disappear according to Godís thoughts. This is how God rules over all things.Ē (from The Word Appears in the Flesh)
That works only if you believe God exists.
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