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Your title is unfair*. The lawsuit doesn't discriminate against men, but against those married people who think it is OK to hide their assets from their spouses.


*Cue all to chime in with cheeky, sexists comments. Let's see how many sexist comments this post will garner.
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*Cue all to chime in with cheeky, sexists comments. Let's see how many sexist comments this post will garner.
if my wife left me tomorrow, she would be entitled to 50% of my assets - inclusive of retirement assets and rights to future inheritances I may have - plus close to 50% of my earnings for in excess of the next 10 years. this all in addition to what I would pay in support of our children until they reach the age of emancipation, and in spite of the fact that my wife did not pay a single nickel toward any of my education or other expenses. the foregoing allocation, by the way, would be regardless of fault, since many states in the US operate on a "no-fault" basis in divorce settlements. oh, and almost without exception my wife would be granted primary custody of our children.

assuming that you agree that the definition of "sexism" is "prejudice or discrimination based upon gender", wouldn't you also have to agree that the current manner in which assets are divided in a divorce proceeding is sexist? isn't the presumption that women are somehow always the weaker party in a marriage also sexist?

P.S. my wife and I have been happily married for over 22 years, so the above is of course only a hypothetical.

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Re: Women in divorce settlements win battle to go back for more

Love the way that Mr Gohil's true assets were greater than declared - likely because of the hidden illegal activity - and yet this could/will benefit Mrs ex?-Gohil.

If she is going to benefit from illegal wealth, surely she should also share some of the time?

Oh. I forget. Clearly there is such a thing as a free lunch!
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Love the way that Mr Gohil's true assets were greater than declared - likely because of the hidden illegal activity - and yet this could/will benefit Mrs ex?-Gohil.

If she is going to benefit from illegal wealth, surely she should also share some of the time?

Oh. I forget. Clearly there is such a thing as a free lunch!
Yeah I didn't get that one either - she's trying to claim half of his illegally obtained funds??

So if even if she did get it, she'd go to jail for receiving, and get them confiscated as well. Maybe she has a jail fetish or something.
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Re: Women in divorce settlements win battle to go back for more

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the original settlements, what I don't understand about this is why a ruling is necessary.

If you declare in court that your assets are x amount knowing full well they are 2x, surely that is straightforward perjury? If not perjury then obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception.

I'm surprised that the respondents in these cases are allowed to simply pay up and are not being sent down.
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Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the original settlements, what I don't understand about this is why a ruling is necessary.

If you declare in court that your assets are x amount knowing full well they are 2x, surely that is straightforward perjury? If not perjury then obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception.

I'm surprised that the respondents in these cases are allowed to simply pay up and are not being sent down.
good point but I guess it's sooooo common the jails would be pretty full!
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if my wife left me tomorrow, she would be entitled to 50% of my assets - inclusive of retirement assets and rights to future inheritances I may have - plus close to 50% of my earnings for in excess of the next 10 years. this all in addition to what I would pay in support of our children until they reach the age of emancipation, and in spite of the fact that my wife did not pay a single nickel toward any of my education or other expenses. the foregoing allocation, by the way, would be regardless of fault, since many states in the US operate on a "no-fault" basis in divorce settlements. oh, and almost without exception my wife would be granted primary custody of our children.

assuming that you agree that the definition of "sexism" is "prejudice or discrimination based upon gender", wouldn't you also have to agree that the current manner in which assets are divided in a divorce proceeding is sexist? isn't the presumption that women are somehow always the weaker party in a marriage also sexist?
The woman isn't the weaker party in a marriage, but she is the party that most often sacrifices work and related benefits in order to raise a family (a financial decision detrimental to her future wellbeing). If the woman were the rich party, divorced and left the man to raise the kids, I am sure that the opposite would apply. Check out similar divorces (of the super-rich)vwhere the woman has to pay alimony to her ex-husband.
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if my wife left me tomorrow, she would be entitled to 50% of my assets - inclusive of retirement assets and rights to future inheritances I may have - plus close to 50% of my earnings for in excess of the next 10 years.
Not if you got divorced here, only 1/2 of stuff acquired during the marriage, and 0% of any inheritance, past, present, or future.

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Not if you got divorced here, only 1/2 of stuff acquired during the marriage, and 0% of any inheritance, past, present, or future.

Tom
yeah where is that 50% of future inherence thing and 50% of 10 years of future work, I want to get my divorce there!
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if my wife left me tomorrow, she would be entitled to 50% of my assets - inclusive of retirement assets and rights to future inheritances I may have - plus close to 50% of my earnings for in excess of the next 10 years. this all in addition to what I would pay in support of our children until they reach the age of emancipation, and in spite of the fact that my wife did not pay a single nickel toward any of my education or other expenses. the foregoing allocation, by the way, would be regardless of fault, since many states in the US operate on a "no-fault" basis in divorce settlements. oh, and almost without exception my wife would be granted primary custody of our children.

assuming that you agree that the definition of "sexism" is "prejudice or discrimination based upon gender", wouldn't you also have to agree that the current manner in which assets are divided in a divorce proceeding is sexist? isn't the presumption that women are somehow always the weaker party in a marriage also sexist?

P.S. my wife and I have been happily married for over 22 years, so the above is of course only a hypothetical.

Future inheritance is most unlikely.
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Future inheritance is most unlikely.
it depends upon the state and the nature of how your and your parents' (or other relatives') estates are structured, as well as other factors (including how other assets are allocated). bearing in mind, of course, that structuring things such as inheritances so as to shield them from your spouse does not always improve the trust part of the relationship.
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The woman isn't the weaker party in a marriage, but she is the party that most often sacrifices work and related benefits in order to raise a family (a financial decision detrimental to her future wellbeing). If the woman were the rich party, divorced and left the man to raise the kids, I am sure that the opposite would apply. Check out similar divorces (of the super-rich)vwhere the woman has to pay alimony to her ex-husband.
This is complete and utter rubbish. Bar the period of late pregnancy and the initial breastfeeding months the mother is required to be present with their offspring, after that its entirely the choice of the couple who brings up the baby. The parent who stays to look after their offspring "sacrifices" a crap life in an office in the main, for a massively fulfilling experience of watching their children grow. The old argument that the working father "has it easy" is a total myth.

far more mothers than fathers choose to stay at home and bring up their offspring. thats their choice, not some millstone around their future career neck.
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This is complete and utter rubbish. Bar the period of late pregnancy and the initial breastfeeding months the mother is required to be present with their offspring, after that its entirely the choice of the couple who brings up the baby. The parent who stays to look after their offspring "sacrifices" a crap life in an office in the main, for a massively fulfilling experience of watching their children grow. The old argument that the working father "has it easy" is a total myth.

far more mothers than fathers choose to stay at home and bring up their offspring. thats their choice, not some millstone around their future career neck.
funny....

the mummys that are in our office say they come in, to have a rest..

at least the people in the office listen to what you have to say, and you seldom have to shout at them to get a job done..

Also, if you have to clean up someone elses shit. you seldom smell afterwards - depending on your profession of course. And no-one pukes on you in the office - again of course quite dependent on your line of work.

You also usually get paid more, and very few people are called to work at 2am, then again at 4am, then at 6am, again at 8am... in two hour blocks for about 3 months at a stretch. In fact, there are laws against that sort of thing.

Did I mention the pay?
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funny....

the mummys that are in our office say they come in, to have a rest..

at least the people in the office listen to what you have to say, and you seldom have to shout at them to get a job done..

Also, if you have to clean up someone elses shit. you seldom smell afterwards - depending on your profession of course. And no-one pukes on you in the office - again of course quite dependent on your line of work.

You also usually get paid more, and very few people are called to work at 2am, then again at 4am, then at 6am, again at 8am... in two hour blocks for about 3 months at a stretch. In fact, there are laws against that sort of thing.

Did I mention the pay?
Do the people in the office run into your arms with a huge grin on their face when they see you ? Do you see them gasp in amazement when they walk for the first time ? Do they giggle uncontrollably if you tickle them on the sofa ?

My kids are 1, 3 and 4. I haven't had a full nights sleep in 4 years. I regularly go to work on almost no rest and I change hundreds of nappies. I would swap my office life in a flash to spend the time watching them grow and evolve more.

Being a stay at home parent is like any hard job. Tough but amazingly rewarding.
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Do the people in the office run into your arms with a huge grin on their face when they see you ? Do you see them gasp in amazement when they walk for the first time ? Do they giggle uncontrollably if you tickle them on the sofa ?
only the ones in my office.. but they are special - thanks for asking.

Your kids are still young. Wait til they start arguing about.. well, just about everything really. The hugs stop, the bills increase, the "awww muuhhhm(!!)"'s send you to hide in the bathroom.
Your clothes are no longer safe - other people feel it is their birthright to wear-and-destroy.. a homework battle every day..

I see that you are the "part time parent" in your team -

Your kids are at a good age for you (not your partner) to take all 3 shopping at the local food store for an hour
You'll be craving that budgeting cuts meeting like is was a chocolate eclair.
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only the ones in my office.. but they are special - thanks for asking.

Your kids are still young. Wait til they start arguing about.. well, just about everything really. The hugs stop, the bills increase, the "awww muuhhhm(!!)"'s send you to hide in the bathroom.
Your clothes are no longer safe - other people feel it is their birthright to wear-and-destroy.. a homework battle every day..

I see that you are the "part time parent" in your team -

Your kids are at a good age for you (not your partner) to take all 3 shopping at the local food store for an hour
You'll be craving that budgeting cuts meeting like is was a chocolate eclair.
Part time parent - that is impressively offensive :-)

Does that make my partner a no-time wage earner ? We both contribute all our energies into the kids whether it's through salary or presence, but the original point remains - having spent days with the kids by myself rather than the odd hour you seemed to have magically decided, I would still swap my office job for bringing up the children.
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it depends upon the state and the nature of how your and your parents' (or other relatives') estates are structured
Here it's clear, inheritence is ALWAYS out of the (divorce) loop.

It only matters upon death.

So, if I want a part of the wife's inheritance, she'll have to pass away before I do.

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