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Old 21.10.2016, 11:56
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Travel Security - Threat assessment

Folks,
As the holiday season approaches and more and more of us start to plan our trips back to the UK or other parts of the world, by car, train, has any one actually taken a moment to consider the safety implications to ourselves relevant to the situation we will put ourselves in?

The press & media are filling us with images of rioting refugees near Calais, Paris streets taken over by the same & once again this summer we saw a spate of attacks across Europe.

As part of my work internationally I am required to make threat assessments based upon where we are moving the team to & how. We have to look at multiple locations and consider vast logistical problems and time frame restrictions but the principles are the same.

The following is part of the briefing that we give to the crew/company/client prior to departure & can be applied by your selves to your own situation.
I won't go into too much detail but give you some pointers for discussion.

The main things to remember are evacuation or invacuation, escape & evasion.
Assess your surroundings for threats or rising situations.

I would also welcome a discussion here where we could look at your individual personal situations or plans for holiday travel.

Airports -
At risk? previous incidents?
Evacuation and escape routes restricted

Ports -
Escape and evacuation restricted - example Calais - rioting groups on motorway - travel in convoy
Personal protection ?

Ground transport - to and from arrival or departure point
Public transport
Private transport
Road convoy
Traffic accidents
Transport breakdowns - "What to carry "

Accommodation
Hotel - Escape and evacuation routes - WALK THEM IN THE DARK -
Rented house/cottage/apartment -
Theft prevention

Contingency plans.
Communications.

EDC - Every day carry -
Medical kits -


Take care out there
Stay safe

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Old 21.10.2016, 12:36
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Re: Travel Security - Threat assessment

Isn't saying that in public somehow counter productive?

The offenders/criminals/terrorists/ennemies (whatever you call the threats) simply needs to adapt according to the advice you give here and that's all...

Exemple, they can light up a firework, panic follow, rush to evacuations routes (as you suggested) where the not yet guilty threat will patiently wait and wipe them all...

Of course thankfully it's a fictitious scenario, yet the problem is real.

You can't simply reveal your security plans to the public, since it can and does goes also to the one who want to bypass it...

Was it not published in "the art of war" (he is skillful in defense whose opponent does not know what to attack) like thousands years ago?
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Old 22.10.2016, 02:34
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Re: Travel Security - Threat assessment

Not really.
Everything mentioned is in the public domain.
Like the Government issues travel advice.
Obviously any specific travel details would not be made in public, thanks though as now i see I should have mentioned that in the previous post.

I did not say rush for the emergency exits, i said E&E's restricted.
Evacuation is not always the best move, some times an invacuation is the better option.
I did say re hotels that to walk the evacuation route in the dark is a good idea, this has more to do with fire hazards.

The scenario you put forward did indeed happen this year at an airport did it not?
I don't think "The art of war" has a place here, we are not in a combative or defensive role but discussing being prepared.

Risk is not always terror based, assessing a situation applies to many circumstances.
Do you take a taxi or a self drive? ( the taxi breaks down, it's a hot day, you have the kids with you and now your siting an a motorway hard shoulder... WATER? The driver doesn't speak much english and you speak little or no Mandarin.. if you had taken a self drive and made a stop at a filling station, would you have also bought some thing to drink?

Risk, just crossing the street is risky .. 5th Avenue ...

Being aware of your surroundings and being prepared is what I am talking about here.
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Re: Travel Security - Threat assessment

I really don't see what you're trying to achieve. Are you assuming you have all the suitable answers? Offering advice? Seeking advice?

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As part of my work internationally I am required to make threat assessments based upon where we are moving the team to & how. We have to look at multiple locations and consider vast logistical problems and time frame restrictions but the principles are the same.
Fine, and I see the sphere you're refering to from your profile. Have to say, I'm no fan of 'one size fits all' personal security measures. If you are who you claim to be in your profile, I would kindly urge you to keep your counsel on such matters.

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The scenario you put forward did indeed happen this year at an airport did it not?
It's a favoured tactic employed by certain terror groups, and was a favourite of the IRA back in the day. Brussels Airport was a long, long way from being unique in that respect.
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Old 22.10.2016, 09:11
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I really don't see what you're trying to achieve. Are you assuming you have all the suitable answers? Offering advice? Seeking advice?
Quite simple, he's looking for us to do his work.

Paranoia is everywhere.....sure there may be a risk but it's very small taking into account the amount of people who travel on a daily basis.
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Old 22.10.2016, 11:14
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Re: Travel Security - Threat assessment

My tactic is just to continue doing the things i want and going wherever i want. If something happens, i will end up not caring anyway.
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Old 22.10.2016, 11:56
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Re: Travel Security - Threat assessment

Well good morning ...
No of course i'm not asking any one to do my work for me.
No no one has all the suitable answers.

Maybe you should all take a step back and look at your selves, is there any need for such negative replies when all some one is trying to do is offer advice.
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Old 22.10.2016, 12:37
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Re: Travel Security - Threat assessment

Employers with frequently travelling employees will partner with organisations such as International SOS, Controlled Risks, Anvil, Healix to give 24/7 medical and security assistance, including evacuation where required.

They can also provide pre trip briefings, travel alerts, traveller tracking, geofence monitoring, even personal security teams for travellers, or expats in high risk locations.

Most personal travel insurance policies also include access to information, advice and assistance if needed.
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Old 22.10.2016, 12:48
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I don't think "The art of war" has a place here, we are not in a combative or defensive role but discussing being prepared.
Being prepared for what? (in the context of Airports and safety/security)
Have you read the news recently?
How do you call the "bataclan" or Brussels airport events involving machine guns and bombs?

Flat parties maybe? Some "real life training session"? Or maybe "health and safety assessement"?

Definitely the "art of war" is a relevant. Anyway, like you said, it's a discussion and it's about training, I don't see why it's misplaced to mention some relevant extract from a book.


Anyway public domain...threats always adapt so if your public is adopting a few more safety practices, the other side will also adapt.

Have you noticed it has been a permanent and constant battle since milleniums? From cavemen little sticks, to bigger sticks, to metal, to arrows, to machine guns, etc...

Anyway, I don't want to disturb your threat assessment. Good luck.
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Old 22.10.2016, 12:53
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Employers with frequently travelling employees will partner with organisations such as International SOS, Controlled Risks, Anvil, Healix to give 24/7 medical and security assistance, including evacuation where required.

They can also provide pre trip briefings, travel alerts, traveller tracking, geofence monitoring, even personal security teams for travellers, or expats in high risk locations.

Most personal travel insurance policies also include access to information, advice and assistance if needed.


I just checked with my current Swiss company since I am travelling a lot.

It appears that to ensure my safety/security, I am entitled to 1 normal size "peppermint spray"


No seriously, back in UK we even had training and special phone numbers to call and the likes.
Here there is nothing.

I think it's more American based companies who are more aware about that risk and prepared to mitigate.
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Old 22.10.2016, 13:12
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Re: Travel Security - Threat assessment

Asolutely right to raise this issue. In these troubled times, we should all live in fear and STAY AT HOME!!! It's the safest and most sensible thing to do. Thank goodness we have air raid shelters on tap in Switzerland!
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Re: Travel Security - Threat assessment

Friday threads abound

I have cancelled my passport, purchased a tin hat, copious supplies of bubblewrap, moved my big sofa & computer to the cellar, installed a replica of the Fort Knox surveillance system, and requested the UN now deliver my groceries... I should be safe now right
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Friday threads abound

I have cancelled my passport, purchased a tin hat, copious supplies of bubblewrap, moved my big sofa & computer to the cellar, installed a replica of the Fort Knox surveillance system, and requested the UN now deliver my groceries... I should be safe now right
Do you have someone to test your food?
I just happen to offer that paid service, i'm a specialist*


* I do ice creams, desserts, fine meats and cheeses only.
I can work between 12-14h, 17h-20h. Extra fees for other times.
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Do you have someone to test your food?
I just happen to offer that paid service, i'm a specialist*


* I do ice creams, desserts, fine meats and cheeses only.
I can work between 12-14h, 17h-20h. Extra fees for other times.
Ah the EF at it's best... always a helping hand
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Old 22.10.2016, 16:06
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Re: Travel Security - Threat assessment

At around 4 pm yesterday London City airport was evacuated, many people were coughing non-stop. Finally the police / firemen found a CS spray canister inside the building. Three planes arriving were diverted to Southend, and three planes diverted to Stansted. After three hours the passengers were allowed back inside the departures hall.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-37739046

PS. @ Papa Goose, you forgot your gas mask. It wasn't good news on the Tokio subway once, I think they used sarin gas.
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I would also welcome a discussion here where we could look at your individual personal situations or plans for holiday travel.
OK, here goes. I live in a medium-sized village but will probably have to make several trips into the cantonal capital for holiday shopping, special cooking ingredients etc. Husband's parents will be here so I have options: I can make these trips alone, with one or both toddlers, or with the whole entourage (in-laws and toddlers). Which do you reckon is safest for all concerned?

Apart from gambling hells, dens of iniquity, and scragglebearded farmers with too much schnaps on board, what should I be on the lookout for securitywise?

Also, public transport or car? It's a Saab if that matters... parking in the capital city would be in an underground garage though and I've heard about those so I am thinking the train instead. Do you agree?
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Maybe you should all take a step back and look at your selves, is there any need for such negative replies when all some one is trying to do is offer advice.
A huge problem I have personally, is that when people begin to talk about positive and negative, I begin to mentally close down and switch off. I asked for clarification of the purpose of your post for the simple reason that I didn't understand what you hoped to gain from it, and I'm unsure of your angle.

As others members may know from previous posts, I have been in a terrorist bomb blast, and I have put a 37 acre site into lockdown because there was a gunman loose on the premisses. Those incidents are over a decade old, court cases concluded, so I can talk about them freely.

As for more recent incidents, and some older ones that could (in any way, shape or form) compromise the security of people or places, there's not way on this Earth that I would allude to, or discuss them on a public web forum, and I would likely still face prosecution from previous employers if I did so. Perhaps what you see as 'negative', I see as 'being professional'.

So....if you would care to clarify the intention of your original post please?
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Do you have someone to test your food?
I just happen to offer that paid service, i'm a specialist*
I offer the same service for vodkas, wines and Aperol.

I also live in, what is fast becoming, the murder capital of ZH canton. It really comes to something when the neighbours make noise complaints about a yodelling cd being played at full blast at 5am to cover the screams of a guy being bludgeoned to death.
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So....if you would care to clarify the intention of your original post please?
To offer some advice on safe travel in the current climate & an adult conversation, based upon my own observation that a lot of people I know, go blindly through the motions of getting from A to B without even noticing where for example the nearest emergency exit is...

Maybe i could have put it better than I did.

I didn't expect a monty python style set of answers involving cheese or tin hats.

I have nothing to gain.
I'll think differently next time about such a post & we can just leave it if thats what the general feeling is ...

Was not the intention to wast any ones time...
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To offer some advice on safe travel in the current climate & an adult conversation, based upon my own observation that a lot of people I know, go blindly through the motions of getting from A to B without even noticing where for example the nearest emergency exit is...

Maybe i could have put it better than I did.

I didn't expect a monty python style set of answers involving cheese or tin hats.

I have nothing to gain.
I'll think differently next time about such a post & we can just leave it if thats what the general feeling is ...

Was not the intention to wast any ones time...

Go get a life, you're looking into things you have no control over far too much.

The idea behind these attacks are they are random and cannot be determined in advance, live with it and have done with it, the chances you'll get caught up in something are small, in fact so small you probably can't even quantify it properly,
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