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Without wanting to hijack the poll, what about Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden, is there a level when the death penalty becomes acceptable?
It can never be acceptable!
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Without wanting to hijack the poll, what about Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden, is there a level when the death penalty becomes acceptable?
My idealogical reasons against it aside, killing Hussein was wrong and stupid. I mean, why off the only person who could run that country?

Just kidding... sorta.
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Re: The death penalty?

Our criminal systems are typically based on rehabilitation but in truth society wants revenge.

Whilst I personally don't agree with the death penalty I also don't agree with those soft liberals who feel that today's criminals should have access to 'normal' things in prison.

Lets stop making prison an easy option.
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Old 23.12.2009, 09:56
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Our criminal systems are typically based on rehabilitation but in truth society wants revenge.

Whilst I personally don't agree with the death penalty I also don't agree with those soft liberals who feel that today's criminals should have access to 'normal' things in prison.

Lets stop making prison an easy option.
The problem with making prison tougher is it trains better criminals, particularly those on first or even second offenses. What I think should be done is instead of giving them playstations and satellite tv, they should be getting education or vocational training. Give them some hope that they can turn themselves around and come out and be productive, instead of a no-hoper with no skills and can't get hired so crime is an easier way to survive.
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Old 23.12.2009, 14:26
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...Lets stop making prison an easy option.
Let's stop sending so many people to prison for non-violent crimes with a low risk of recidivism. Ah, but that would involve actively helping to turn the person / prisoner around, and that means society doing something other than "throwing away the key" and that means effort and we can't be bothered but we like to moan about the cost of crime...
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Re: The death penalty?

I voted against.

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I voted undecided cause:
murder: I am all for it (capital punishment I mean)
statutory rape: against (too much a he-said she-said kind of thing. It just happens too often that it turns out the woman falsely accused the man, an irrevocable punisment is just not OK in my book)
I'd like to point out that statutory rape is not a he-said she-said situation. It's when someone is proven to have had sex with someone who is below the legal age of consent, whether the child agreed to it is irrelevant as by law they are deemed too young to understand the situation and the older party has taken advantage of this.
Although I do agree that an irrevocable punishment is definately not ok.
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Re: The death penalty?

I would only favour the death penalty for the murder of a public servant in the act of performing their duties.

Eg: If a criminal robs a bank, and in the ensuing shoot out, kills a police officer, capital punishment should be available as the most severe sentence the judge can meat out.

Eg: If, (like what has happened in recent times in Ireland) while responding to emergency calls, Ambulance and Fire crews come under attack, resulting in the death of one of said public servants, the judge should have the death penalty available.

I also believe in much more serious implications for assaults on doctors or nurses in hospitals.


Same rules should not apply for politicians though.
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I would only favour the death penalty for the murder of a public servant in the act of performing their duties.

Eg: If a criminal robs a bank, and in the ensuing shoot out, kills a police officer, capital punishment should be available as the most severe sentence the judge can meat out.

Eg: If, (like what has happened in recent times in Ireland) while responding to emergency calls, Ambulance and Fire crews come under attack, resulting in the death of one of said public servants, the judge should have the death penalty available.

I also believe in much more serious implications for assaults on doctors or nurses in hospitals.


Same rules should not apply for politicians though.
Why is a policemans life more important than any other person?
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Why is a policemans life more important than any other person?
You're missing the point. It's the fact that they are public servants, whose job is to protect the community. Not that their lives are more important, but that their role in society is, and as such it deserves more respect, and the protection that such a penalty would provide.
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.... Otherwise half the under-16 population in the UK would be in jail. hmmm...
And that's a bad thing because?

Seriously though, has to be a big fat "no" as there have been too many cases of false imprisonment.

Debates about the death penalty have moved on from wether it is the "right or wrong" form of punishment. Rather they focus on the fact of whether the system can be trusted to be 100% right all of the time. And the simple answer to that is another big fat honking in your face "no".

You can't have a "partial" law that applies in some cases but not others (e.g. when the criminal confesses). That means that you can't safely enforce a death penalty without fear of getting it wrong - think of all the confessions that have been beaten out of people...
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Re: The death penalty?

BBC: Oklahoma to review procedures after botched execution

"Clayton Lockett's execution was stopped after 20 minutes on Tuesday evening. Officials say one of his veins ruptured, preventing the drugs from taking full effect. He died of a heart attack less than an hour later."

NewsOK: Execution failure in Oklahoma - Clayton Lockett's vein explodes, dies of heart attack

Some reader comments:

"This was not a "botched" execution, it went exactly as expected! Mary Fallin knew these drugs were unreliable and still chose to continue the executions. The state Supreme Court ruled that these drugs violated the 8th amendment, but Mary Fallin abused her power as governor and went against their ruling. But the it got worse because, then republican state congressmen threatened and bullied 5 justices with impeachment, forcing them to reverse a sound decision. Mary Fallin and her cohorts should be impeached for abuse of power and imprisoned for willfully practicing torture. Lucky for her, most Oklahomans will back her up and support her illegal acts. This is despicable, and it makes am ashamed to be from this state!"

"I wouldn't say botched... it got the job done."

"Give them a bonus!"


Oklahoma Supreme Court Rejects Death-Row Inmates' Claims

"Oklahoma plans to hold its first double execution in nearly 80 years, Gov. Mary Fallin said Thursday. The move comes a day after the state Supreme Court removed one of the final obstacles, ruling late Wednesday that Clayton Lockett and Charles Warner are not entitled to know the source of the drugs that will be used to kill them."

Oklahoma Department of Corrections: scheduled executions + Oklahoma death row monthly roster

What a bizarre situation. A state execution apparently called botched because the administration of death was visibly messy. If it had not looked messy but was still torturous for the prisoner, would the state still review the process? Is the review because the state administering the death penalty cares about death penalty prisoners' last moments or is it just for show, like the pseudo-medical setting of the execution process? It's as if they want to take someone's life but make a pretence of humanity by trying to make it look clinical.
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Re: The death penalty?

I'd love to know why the USA cannot work out what combination of drugs are needed ??? a powerful sedative then something to stop the heart, job done??? or am I being to simplistic?? dignitas seem to have worked out whats needed no bother at all. I'm sure and 1st year med student could give them some pointers
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I'd love to know why the USA cannot work out what combination of drugs are needed ??? a powerful sedative then something to stop the heart, job done??? or am I being to simplistic?? dignitas seem to have worked out whats needed no bother at all. I'm sure and 1st year med student could give them some pointers
No one will sell them what's needed.
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No one will sell them what's needed.
the US doesn't have its own drug companies?
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the US doesn't have its own drug companies?
Try new Tranquinaid. As seen on Death Row...
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I'd love to know why the USA cannot work out what combination of drugs are needed ??? a powerful sedative then something to stop the heart, job done??? or am I being to simplistic?? dignitas seem to have worked out whats needed no bother at all. I'm sure and 1st year med student could give them some pointers
They do seem to make it hellishly complicated. Even anaesthetic drugs, if administered in sufficient quantities (which any doctor could work out) would kill a human without too much difficulty.

Having said that, the whole thing is totally barbaric. The state officials virtually high-fiving each other over the execution of a man. Sorry but where is this different from the original crime committed by the prisoner?
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make there last seconds happy, od them on heroin, plenty available in the USA
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the US doesn't have its own drug companies?
No. There are no drug companies owned by the State of Utah.
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Re: The death penalty?

Not sure why they insist on drugs, a rope round the neck would save a lot of hassle.

To the original question. The death penalty should be brought back in certain cases but that's not the problem. Proper sentencing and proper imprisonment is what's needed.
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Not sure why they insist on drugs, a rope round the neck would save a lot of hassle.
So would avoiding a trial. Just gets in the way and costs a fortune. No smoke without fire anyway.
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