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Re: The death penalty?

I can still remember the morning in 1953 when Derek Bentley was hanged. A nineteen year old boy. The whole nation stopped breathing at the moment he was executed. It was really so - no-one could understand killing a lad no matter what he had done. I was fifteen years old and he was only four years older.


Ruth Ellis was another hanging that disturbed the whole nation, a nation which looked upon itself as civilised but shuddered at her death.


Something else I remember too. Another lad of nineteen who had been cat-of-nine-tailed in the navy, I was about six at the time but I'll never forget that lad's terribly scarred back. Only perverts could do such a thing.


Only perverts can kill people whether for the State or not.


No-one, in my opinion can use 'it was orders' to commit deeds most foul.
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I can still remember the morning in 1953 when Derek Bentley was hanged. A nineteen year old boy. The whole nation stopped breathing at the moment he was executed. It was really so - no-one could understand killing a lad no matter what he had done. I was fifteen years old and he was only four years older.'
Was that the "Let him have it" boy?
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Was that the "Let him have it" boy?
Yes.

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Not sure why they insist on drugs, a rope round the neck would save a lot of hassle.

To the original question. The death penalty should be brought back in certain cases but that's not the problem. Proper sentencing and proper imprisonment is what's needed.


What about a proper trial first?
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So would avoiding a trial. Just gets in the way and costs a fortune. No smoke without fire anyway.
If that's your opinion that's your choice but that's not what I said or believe.
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Enough people have died from heroin overdoses - a good shot of 'H' would do the trick and send them out on a high. Problem solved.
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If that's your opinion that's your choice but that's not what I said or believe.
but why split hairs? It's just a person's life...an irrelevance in the scheme of things, right? What about just splitting them vertically with a broadsword?
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but why split hairs? It's just a person's life...an irrelevance in the scheme of things, right? What about just splitting them vertically with a broadsword?
Same irrelevance as the victims, the victims family or the next victim?
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Same irrelevance as the victims, the victims family or the next victim?
What relevance does the family of the victim have to the fate of the criminal? And are all criminals recidivistic? If so should we eliminate all criminals, whatever their crime? What's the point in ever letting anyone out of prison if there's no chance of reform?
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Same irrelevance as the victims, the victims family or the next victim?
Victims also include those wrongly convicted and executed. Anyone who supports the death penalty must accept that this is a price worth paying for the execution of the guilty, as no justice system is infallible.
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the US doesn't have its own drug companies?
Pharma companies don't want to sell the drug needed to kill someone.
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What relevance does the family of the victim have to the fate of the criminal? And are all criminals recidivistic? If so should we eliminate all criminals, whatever their crime? What's the point in ever letting anyone out of prison if there's no chance of reform?
you have a point there.
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Victims also include those wrongly convicted and executed. Anyone who supports the death penalty must accept that this is a price worth paying for the execution of the guilty, as no justice system is infallible.
Who mentioned wrongly accused?
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Re: The death penalty?

This rather pithy quote sums up my opposition to capital punishment, its not right and its most certainly not fair.

"You simply cannot hang a millionaire in America"
-William Bourke Cockran (1854-1923)
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Re: The death penalty?

This is a hard issue..Teacher in me will always contradict it. Realist in me will always think death penalty is too easy of a punishment for certain individuals. But why should they be worth the extra time justice allows them to continue, after what they have committed...
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Murder (Proven) = Yes

Rape (Proven) = Yes
Yes to the above.

I would prefer to see the death penalty only if cought red handed. Any lesser evidence should serve as life sentence.
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Re: The death penalty?

Another botched execution in the US. Time to call it a day on this barbarism.

Arizona killer Joseph Wood dies almost two hours after execution began
Convicted killer 'gasped and snored' as officials attempted to execute him, as lawyers filed an emergency motion to halt the process

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Death penalty opponents protest the possible execution of Joseph Rudolph Wood at the state prison in Florence, Arizona. Photograph: AP

A convicted killer gasped on the gurney for more than an hour as the state of Arizona attempted to execute him on Wednesday, before being declared dead almost two hours after the process began.

Attorneys for Joseph Wood attempted to halt the execution in an emergency court motion, saying he had been "gasping and snoring for more than an hour". The state attorney general announced that Wood had died before the court could rule on the motion.

The developments echoed the botched execution of Clayton Lockett, who writhed and groaned on a gurney for nearly 45 minutes before eventually dying of a heart attack.


Joseph Rudolph Wood. Photograph: AP

"We respectfully request that this court stop the execution and require that the Department of Corrections use the lifesaving provisions required in its protocol," the laywers said.

"He is still alive. This execution has violated Mr Woods eighth amendment right to be executed in the absence of cruel and unusual punishment," the court filing said.

The hours leading up to the execution were marked by a frenzied legal battle over the secrecy imposed by state officials on the source of the drugs. It was put on hold several times first by a federal appeals court, then by the state supreme court of Arizona only to have the stays lifted and the procedure go ahead.

Even the US supreme court was asked to intervene, but on Tuesday night declined to do so without giving an explanation for its decision.

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Re: The death penalty?

Hanging and shooting used to be good enough, and it still is in most countries.

The USA seems to have got itself into a backwater, where lawyers prevail and it takes 10 years to obtain a conviction. With obvious guilty verdicts, such as a "caught red handed" verdict, there shouldn't be an appeal necessary.
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Re: The death penalty?

I am for the death penalty when there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that a person committed the following offences and the offender was over 20 years old at the time of offence

1)Planned murder of more than one person,

2)Murder with aggravating circumstances such as rape or molestation of a child

3)Negligence causing death where the motive of the negligence is greed.

I do have a problem with with how Texas carries out the death penalty, for a number of reasons, such as
-A Black murderer is more likely to get the death penalty than a white murderer upon conviction,
-prosecutorial misconduct and ineffective public defenders

The death penalty should be carried out by firing squad, as lethal injection is a little to clean and serene; you are taking a life, it should not be treated the same way as putting down an ill pet where there is no cure.
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Yes to the above.

I would prefer to see the death penalty only if cought red handed. Any lesser evidence should serve as life sentence.
The problem with that is the person would kill any witnesses to make sure no one is able to testify to witnessing the murder red handed
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the death penalty is wrong in principle, and needs to be abolished worldwide
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