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The death penalty?

Last night I watched a fictional TV program call "The execution of Garry Glitter", based on an alternative Britain where Capital Punishment had been re-introduced for murder and statutory rape (minors). In the case of Gary Glitter, it was for the rape of two under 12's.

A Sept 2009 Harris Poll showed that 54% of Britons would favour the return of hanging. I'd be interested to see what that figure would be on this forum, where we all come from different parts of the globe.

So the question is, if the Swiss government called a vote on Capital Punishment for the crimes of Murder and statutory rape, would you be For or Against??

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Old 10.11.2009, 10:55
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Re: The death penalty?

against - if i were out voted then I would prefer it NOT to be hanging - surely we are more humane than hanging people these days

Edit: oops got there before the poll was created
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Re: The death penalty?

I voted undecided cause:
murder: I am all for it (capital punishment I mean)
statutory rape: against (too much a he-said she-said kind of thing. It just happens too often that it turns out the woman falsely accused the man, an irrevocable punisment is just not OK in my book)
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Old 10.11.2009, 10:58
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Re: The death penalty?

I am against death penalty.

But it pisses me off when some criminals get luxuries inside the prison
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Re: The death penalty?

I think for some crimes, putting them to death is not punishment enough, they may be dead, but it is quick and painless, a far cry from what some monsters put their victims through, I would like to see them kept alive in the worse possible conditions, for as long as possible, a hell on earth.
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Old 10.11.2009, 11:13
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Re: The death penalty?

Murder (Proven) = Yes

Rape (Proven) = Yes
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Re: The death penalty?

Wikipedia reference-linkRuth_Ellis
Read this and decide if capital punishment is right. It's the tip of the iceberg - but if you look at the other victims, you might reconsider whether it is right or not.

Mistakes are made in the law system - it is not infallible.

Whilst paying for life imprisonment for these people is a bill we as taxpayers foot, I believe we have no right to elect to take someone else's life - either as individuals or collectively (as voters).

We cannot take dispicable actions based on what we believe are dispicable actions - that's what keeps us above the other species on this planet.
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Old 10.11.2009, 11:23
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Re: The death penalty?

Using the USA as an example the cost of killing someone is more expensive than keeping them in prison for life. The cost of the appeals process is huge, all those lawyers have to be paid & as the prisoners normaly have no money this is footed by the taxpayer.

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Whilst paying for life imprisonment for these people is a bill we as taxpayers foot, I believe we have no right to elect to take someone else's life - either as individuals or collectively (as voters).

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Re: The death penalty?

I am completely against the death penalty - period. I am sickened by the gung-ho attitudes of tit-for-tat revenge, Old Testament style, make everything better again prophets who feel that letting more blood will right any wrongs.

That said, I have a basic inability to suggest suitable punishments for criminals that perpetrate extreme violence or sexual acts against their victims. Short of sympathy and support, there is nothing one can do for victims, so we pan them off with trying to offset their losses and suffering by making the perpetrators pay by restricting their freedom. I don't honestly know how to do this best; it's one of those things that bugs me, life imprisonment must be a mentally exhausting proposition, but what does it really achieve? I don't know that there is a system or penal practise that can truly ever lay this topic to rest. As long as there are humans on this planet, there can never be peace, justice or equality. Sounds depressing doesn't it?
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Old 10.11.2009, 11:24
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Re: The death penalty?

An eye for an eye doesn't make the second eye-taking right.

The state, when performing an execution, is committing pre-meditated killing. Revenge. Spite.

Who are we to say that it was bad for one human being to take the life of another, but perfectly ok for the state to take the life of one? Isn't that doing the same as the original murderer?

In America, many have been executed and later found innocent of the crime.

Also in the US, it costs more to execute a person than it does to keep them in prison for life.

It is a barbaric practice, IMO.
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Re: The death penalty?

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An eye for an eye doesn't make the second eye-taking right.

The state, when performing an execution, is committing pre-meditated killing. Revenge. Spite.

Who are we to say that it was bad for one human being to take the life of another, but perfectly ok for the state to take the life of one? Isn't that doing the same as the original murderer?

In America, many have been executed and later found innocent of the crime.

Also in the US, it costs more to execute a person than it does to keep them in prison for life.

It is a barbaric practice, IMO.
I agree, the death penalty is wrong.

However, if I am honest I think I could have a bit of a double standard here as were anyone to ever hurt one of my children I think I could single-handedly implement it.
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Old 10.11.2009, 11:39
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Re: The death penalty?

Consider a huge percentage of prisoners are mentally ill, have low IQs etc.

We can judge a society by how it treats it's lowest caste members. Executing someone denies them the opportunity for redemption.
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Consider a huge percentage of prisoners are mentally ill, have low IQs etc.
Ties in nicely with your current avatar UM. Was the avatar 'premeditated' for this post?
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Last night I watched a fictional TV program call "The execution of Garry Glitter", based on an alternative Britain where Capital Punishment had been re-introduced for murder and statutory rape (minors). In the case of Gary Glitter, it was for the rape of two under 12's.

A Sept 2009 Harris Poll showed that 54% of Britons would favour the return of hanging. I'd be interested to see what that figure would be on this forum, where we all come from different parts of the globe.

So the question is, if the Swiss government called a vote on Capital Punishment for the crimes of Murder and statutory rape, would you be For or Against??

Votes are anon
The wording of your question is re. rape in general , the programme (from what you described) was rape of a minor. Which did you have in mind for the poll Castro?
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Re: The death penalty?

Death to Death penalty!
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Ties in nicely with your current avatar UM. Was the avatar 'premeditated' for this post?
Illiterate, perhaps, but Leon wasn't stupid
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Re: The death penalty?

I believe (as I've heard it quoted by someone, somewhere), that you should not become the monster to defeat the monster...
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Consider a huge percentage of prisoners are mentally ill, have low IQs etc.

We can judge a society by how it treats it's lowest caste members. Executing someone denies them the opportunity for redemption.
UM, a very interesting and valid point.

But what about those highly intelligent, cunning and beyond rehabilitation criminals who have no respect for human life either, that us tax payers have to feed whilst they are in jail, bleating about their human rights?

No, the justice system is not perfect but I would rather be safe than sorry than allowing the Ted Bundys of the world running around.

I am probably standing alone on this, looking at the responses on here but putting a murderer away for life just isn't good enough. Laws change, so do parole boards, and with time, the severity of the crime dims in human memory (except maybe for the victims families). Those are things that cause life imprisonment to weather away. As long as the murderer lives, there is always a chance, no matter how small, that he will strike again - be it within the walls of prison against inmates and guards or out in society, who are naive enough to allow him out on the basis of rehabilitation / 'we are better than him'.

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Re: The death penalty?

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An eye for an eye doesn't make the second eye-taking right.

The state, when performing an execution, is committing pre-meditated killing. Revenge. Spite.

Who are we to say that it was bad for one human being to take the life of another, but perfectly ok for the state to take the life of one? Isn't that doing the same as the original murderer?

In America, many have been executed and later found innocent of the crime.

Also in the US, it costs more to execute a person than it does to keep them in prison for life.

It is a barbaric practice, IMO.
In America, it has also been shown that African Americans are more
likely to get the death penalty than a white person.

I.e. The law is applied differently to different people.
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Consider a huge percentage of prisoners are mentally ill, have low IQs etc.

We can judge a society by how it treats it's lowest caste members. Executing someone denies them the opportunity for redemption.
I'm sure we could go on to mentally ill people or those with low IQs in society. Let's not limit the bias many have towards them to be solely when they're locked up....
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