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New kitchen - recommendations sought

We are buying a new house and will need to redo the kitchen, so I would appreciate any recommendations on kitchen suppliers, particularly those in and around Geneva or suppliers who can travel eg from France or Germany.

Our current flat has a B. Piatti kitchen, which we like and are happy with, so I'm looking for alternatives at around the same level of quality (I would say mid-level, so not Poggenpohl prices but also a bit nicer than Ikea).

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When buying our kitchen this year I was informed that Poggenpohl was mid range ... Reckon that might upset a number of my old home counties neighbours who were tremendously proud of their PP Kitchens

We dealt with a company in Germany just over the border (Grimm AG - they wouldn't fit in Geneva but might deliver) here from Basel - but to be honest, I can't say that we saved a huge amount of money but certainly had a wider choice of fittings etc that one would more commonly see in a UK kitchen rather than a Swiss kitchen (plus they didn't freak at the request for a gas hob (which I didn't eventually get though) or double ovens that were both big (the Swiss supplier that I visited kept saying that he was sure I didn't meant that .. oh yes I did!))

In the end we went for Rational brand but I got a feeling that they were all much of a muchness.
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Re: New kitchen - recommendations sought

Thanks ecb. Maybe Poggenpohl is mid-range in Switzerland, but I don't think we can justify sepnding that sort of money in any case

Interesting to hear about your problems along the way. We haven't really started thinking about exactly what appliances we want yet, but I am very keen on an induction hob. Ovens will probably be one large electric plus a microwave and/or steam oven.

Anyway, for the moment I'm more interested in the cabinet suppliers if anyone else has recommendations.
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Re: New kitchen - recommendations sought

I know you were asking about cabinet suppliers but regarding the ovens - take a look at the Miele brand - they have a clever oven that you can fill up with water so it steams lightly (eg enough to be good for bread cooking) without being an actual steam oven (if that makes sense). It seemed like a good compromise.

Siemens have microwave/fan oven combined with pyrolytic cleaning, which Miele didn't have. Having spent 4 hours yesterday cleaning the oven in the flat we are leaving, I am so SO pleased I went for this option!!
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We dealt with a company in Germany just over the border (Grimm AG - they wouldn't fit in Geneva but might deliver) here from Basel - but to be honest, I can't say that we saved a huge amount of money but certainly had a wider choice of fittings etc that one would more commonly see in a UK kitchen rather than a Swiss kitchen (plus they didn't freak at the request for a gas hob (which I didn't eventually get though) or double ovens that were both big (the Swiss supplier that I visited kept saying that he was sure I didn't meant that .. oh yes I did!))

In the end we went for Rational brand but I got a feeling that they were all much of a muchness.

We went for a Rational kitchen too but fitted by a local supplier.
I checked their website and they don't appear to have any dealers in Geneva.
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Old 09.10.2013, 13:42
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We went for a Rational kitchen too but fitted by a local supplier.
I checked their website and they don't appear to have any dealers in Geneva.
Two replies and two votes - thanks Tom I will check them out.
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Re: New kitchen - recommendations sought

We have our kitchen from Bulthaup. The Bulthaup B1 system is mid-range, with typical Bulthaup quality. I find the B1 very good value for the money. The Bulthaup top-range is the B3 system.
Take a look here http://www.en.bulthaup.com/
They have a very good dealer in Geneva.
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Re: New kitchen - recommendations sought

A major thought is whether you will choose the 55 cm wide Swiss units or buy the 60 cm EU standard width. I would suggest the 60 cm as then you can buy a better range of appliances in F/D/I and MUCH cheaper.
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A major thought is whether you will choose the 55 cm wide Swiss units or buy the 60 cm EU standard width. I would suggest the 60 cm as then you can buy a better range of appliances in F/D/I and MUCH cheaper.
Actually on the appliances we chose (Siemens) there was barely any difference and if I had been able to take delivery of appliances from internet suppliers at random times, it would have been much cheaper to buy in CH. Having said that, I did not check German internet suppliers. The benefit of buying in CH is that warranties work in a more straightforward manner - many people have told me that foreign appliances being repaired in CH under guarantee get shunted down to the bottom of the pile. Would be interested to hear if anyone knew that to be true.

Our last kitchen was Leicht. We inherited it at 18 months old and it was still immaculate when we left it, aged approx 10 yrs ...
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Re: New kitchen - recommendations sought

Since you are starting fresh I would suggest you install an induction cook top. Siemens has a nice range. It really is much better than the normal glass top.

It will mean that you will probably need to replace your cookware but for example the Tefal store at the Aubonne Outlet has a good selection of pots and pans. Siemens (even when you buy via Toppreise) has a special on at the moment with some free cookware.

If you have the space and the budget, go with the 80cm wide version.
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Re: New kitchen - recommendations sought

Miele electical appliances have been excellent in our Kitchen. Probably not used the steam oven as much as I thought mind, or should I say the wife. Would I get steam oven again if I replaced the kitchen, probably not.

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Miele electical appliances have been excellent in our Kitchen. Probably not used the steam oven as much as I thought mind, or should I say the wife. Would I get steam oven again if I replaced the kitchen, probably not.
Before we got our new kitchen, a steam oven was never one of things we wished we had. So we didn't get one and didn't miss one.

What we did get though which we hadn't thought about until it was mentioned to us (and the OP may not have considered it), is 75cm deep worktops (rather than the normal 60cm).
They work really well. The deeper cupboards aren't a problem as the stuff that doesn't get used much goes at the back.
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No matter where you buy: Get 60cm appliances if possible: Much bigger choice, often better prices, more space in the dishwasher, etc.
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(plus they didn't freak at the request for a gas hob (which I didn't eventually get though) or double ovens that were both big (the Swiss supplier that I visited kept saying that he was sure I didn't meant that .. oh yes I did!))
I'm curious why you didn't end up getting a gas hob? I've had such a horrible time transitioning on these electric cook tops here that I went out and bought a gas BBQ with the side burner. I even go out to cook on it the dead of winter because I can never get the electric cook tops hot enough for my saute's, and sauce reductions. When we spoke to our architect about getting a gas tank he totally chuffed the idea out the window. We called Vitagas and had them come to give us a quote and it is possible but we are still looking at the various solutions to see what makes the most sense. I'd like it to also fuel a gas fireplace if it would work into the plans.

Another question for anyone here with experience with some of the higher end appliances.

Have you found any equivalent quality to the Sub Zero brand of refrigerators? I know that they are available in the UK but have never seen them here or in Germany.

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I'm curious why you didn't end up getting a gas hob? I've had such a horrible time transitioning on these electric cook tops here that I went out and bought a gas BBQ with the side burner. I even go out to cook on it the dead of winter because I can never get the electric cook tops hot enough for my saute's, and sauce reductions. When we spoke to our architect about getting a gas tank he totally chuffed the idea out the window. We called Vitagas and had them come to give us a quote and it is possible but we are still looking at the various solutions to see what makes the most sense. I'd like it to also fuel a gas fireplace if it would work into the plans.

Another question for anyone here with experience with some of the higher end appliances.

Have you found any equivalent quality to the Sub Zero brand of refrigerators? I know that they are available in the UK but have never seen them here or in Germany.
Simple - the induction hob is totally safe for children and as we have a child with special needs, the whole house has been built on one overriding and uncompromisable principle - his safety. And Tom1234 assured me on numerous occasions that an induction hob was brilliant .. so I'm looking to you Tom if it doesn't fulfil your promises!! .

We have "gaz de ville" so the provision of the gas would have been easy. Having said that, gas will run out someday relatively soon, so a whole house solution based on gas in a country with such a good renewable electricity source (water) seemed counter intuitive.

Only options for sub-zero seemed to be shipping from UK - so have gone for a Siemens side by side which is not at all the same thing but do you really need such a clever fridge??!!

Edit: mother in law in rural France with no town gas has electric hob with 4 regular burners and 2 gas ones fed by a gas canister hidden in the next door utility room. She likes this compromise.
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I've had such a horrible time transitioning on these electric cook tops here
We were used to cooking on a gas hob in the UK, and have put up with electric since moving. However....we experienced an induction hob at a cooking class, thought it was pretty good and have since bought a portable one to try out at home.

It's fantastic...as speedy as gas at changing temperature. We are now looking into changing the built-in hob in our (rented) house
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Thanks ecb. I'm really happy you found a safe solution for your son. How wonderful technology is now that we have these options to keep children safe. We will probably end up doing the small canister like your mother in law did in France for the kitchen knob. We are currently leaning towards the geothermal/solar options for energy but need to hear back from the company doing the test drilling to see if that will be possible on our lot or not. Apparently there is a lot of hard stone in this area which made it difficult for our neighbor to do some renovations but they did not explore the geothermal option fully.

I admit I've been spoiled in that I had mainly professional grade appliances previously. Because I tend to cook with lots of fresh ingredients I became accustomed to the optimal temperature storage solutions within the various Sub Zero's compartments and it does make a difference. My current V zug is like being in a time warp back to the 60's/70's when food comes out it tends to be half frozen if placed to far in the back of the refrigerator section. The veggie crisper section is just ok.

I agree with your other comments about Panasonic microwave ovens. They are great, I had to leave mine with the sale of our old house and miss it very much too.

In our rental apartment (we can't move to into our old holiday house until the reno's are finished) we have a V zug steam oven but not a combi. I haven't figured out how to work it very well despite many tries. So I prefer to use my pots and various steamer baskets because that oven just seems to make a lot of steam without offering any solutions to extract that steam until I open up the door where it all wafts into the kitchen steaming everything else up. It's a total waste of space in my opinion, more a big marketing hype.
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And Tom1234 assured me on numerous occasions that an induction hob was brilliant .. so I'm looking to you Tom if it doesn't fulfil your promises!! .
Tom1234 is right. you won't regret having the induction hob and they're so much easier to clean than gas.
I've been using ours for six months now and it's brilliant. ( mind you gas wasn't an option here unless it was bottled which we didn't want).
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Re: New kitchen - recommendations sought

Thank you everyone for the hints and tips. I will take a look at Bulthaup and Leicht for the cabinets. Any other suppliers, particularly those who can supply to Geneva, would be greatly appreciated!

For the appliances, we are definitely getting an induction hob - our current one is electric and not great, but I've used induction a few times and it is incredible. Being a Brit I was used to gas before, but induction seems to me to be even better in many respects with the only major downside being poor wok cooking.

Good to know about 55cm vs 60cm. I would imagine we will go for the 60cm option if it means more choice.

Any more feedback on steam ovens would be useful - it is something that I've never used before so would be good to know if anyone is particularly positive on them or are we better off just with a microwave?
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Any more feedback on steam ovens would be useful - it is something that I've never used before so would be good to know if anyone is particularly positive on them or are we better off just with a microwave?
On another forum I posed exactly this question earlier this year and the overwhelming consensus was that they really weren't up to much, that they were quite a lot of bother for not much effect, and a couple of people were totally vitriolic in their responses! So lukewarm reception at best. I was interested because I make all my own bread and moisture in the oven assists the development of a good crust, but a spray of water into a regular oven will do the job just as well.

Put it this way, there was none of the enthusiasm shown for induction hobs, and given that it takes up a piece of prime kitchen real estate, I went for a combined microwave/fan oven.
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