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When does a fridge become a freezer

We have a V-Zug refrigerator and after a week away we found that the part where we keep the vegetables was completely frozen incl the vegetables. So cleaned it out but did not find any reason why it gets so cold in the lower parts of the fridge. Any clues anyone?

no it is not outside and the freezer is separated below the fridge.

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Re: When does a fridge become a freezer

Did you check the manual that came with the refrigerator? There should be a "troubleshooting" section that will tell you what to do in the event of common problems.

All the refrigerators I have ever owned have had a temperature control lever which allowed the temperature to be set. If it was set too close to freezing, items would sometimes freeze. The first items to do so were always produce (due to water content) and items at the back of the refrigerator.
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Re: When does a fridge become a freezer

It sounds like the thermostat has packed in. Could someone have turned it right down? It's best to check that first
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Re: When does a fridge become a freezer

Temperature guage turned too high?
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It sounds like the thermostat has packed in. Could someone have turned it right down? It's best to check that first
Same thing happened to us, and yes the thermostat was broken.
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Re: When does a fridge become a freezer

Mine goes from zero to 5 so to freeze the fridge I would have to push it up to 5, the highest setting. That's what I meant.
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Re: When does a fridge become a freezer

Also check the door seals and that the door closes completely, if the door is left slightly open you will get ice build up inside
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Re: When does a fridge become a freezer

Thanks for the helpful replies. I have checked the temp. It is set on 6 C. Thermostat I do not know how to check its workings.

It may well be the door not closing completely as we have had some beeping coming from the fridge the last couple of weeks signalling a door left open too long. Though it seemed shut. I will check the door seals again

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Thanks for the helpful replies. I have checked the temp. It is set on 6 C. Thermostat I do not know how to check its workings.

It may well be the door not closing completely as we have had some beeping coming from the fridge the last couple of weeks signalling a door left open too long. Though it seemed shut. I will check the door seals again

Thanks again!
A 'fridge should be chilled to around 5 degrees, so your setting is about right.
It might be worth buying a cheap thermometer (Migros, Coop) and checking that that's actually what the 'fridge is cooling to, and adjusting the setting if it's necessary.
I've noticed that the temperature in mine varies depending on how full it is and occasionally salad stuffs have become frosted if the setting is too high; cold air falls, hot air rises.
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Thanks for the helpful replies. I have checked the temp. It is set on 6 C. Thermostat I do not know how to check its workings.
"Set on 6 C" meaning what? I've yet to see a fridge that actually allows temperature setting in any kind of degrees. Most of them have a knob that goes from Off through 1 - 2 etc. to 5, 6 or 7, depending on the make of the fridge, but those figures do not stand for degrees. As mentioned by others above, usually a higher figure on the knob does not mean higher temperature (like, say, "6" standing for 6°C) but more cooling.

So, if your remark means the knob is on "6", that may mean the setting is too "high" in the sense of too much refrigeration.

Did you check the temperature with a thermometer and read 6°C?
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Re: When does a fridge become a freezer

It's when you find seals in there you know it has really gotten cold.
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"Set on 6 C" meaning what? I've yet to see a fridge that actually allows temperature setting in any kind of degrees.
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PS: That is a Neff Fridge. Not a V-Zug.

For the nitpicker: It is actually in degrees degrees Celcius (° °C)
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"Set on 6 C" meaning what? I've yet to see a fridge that actually allows temperature setting in any kind of degrees. Most of them have a knob that goes from Off through 1 - 2 etc. to 5, 6 or 7, depending on the make of the fridge, but those figures do not stand for degrees. As mentioned by others above, usually a higher figure on the knob does not mean higher temperature (like, say, "6" standing for 6°C) but more cooling.

So, if your remark means the knob is on "6", that may mean the setting is too "high" in the sense of too much refrigeration.

Did you check the temperature with a thermometer and read 6°C?
The V-Zug actually has a degrees setting for fridge and freezer. It is set correctly and I will check with a thermometer. It is acting strange now for the freezer which was ok before.

The manual doesn't help in this case. I thought a fridge is simple technology but when the thermostat isn't working it falls apart.

the manual said that the Special compartments on the bottom of the fridge cool to 0-3C and should be used for meats and sausages. i always thought these were for vegetables. the manual also said there would be malfunction indicators F1,F2, etc if something like a thermostat isn't working. no indicators yet

If it wasn't completely integrated in the kitchen I would have bought another one already...
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PS: That is a Neff Fridge. Not a V-Zug.

For the nitpicker: It is actually in degrees degrees Celcius (° °C)
similar in the V-Zug with some more buttons
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I thought a fridge is simple technology but when the thermostat isn't working it falls apart.
Simple technology compared to a jet plane, yes, but with a temperature setting in degrees instead of a simple knob that slightly bends a bimetallic contact strip, there's quite a bit of electronic stuff involved, and that can fail. These days, fridges in the upper price range often even have microcontrollers, i.e. tiny computers, and with them you can have problems not only with failing components but with programming bugs too.

In the USA, we once had a kitchen range that almost set the house ablaze by turning on the oven cleaning function all by itself when no one was at home, and it didn't switch it off again, unlike a normal cleaning cycle. When we came back home, the entire kitchen island was charred and the ceiling was all black. Comment by the manufacturer (Jenn-Air): "We assume it's a software problem. To be on the safe side, just reboot the system by flipping the circuit breaker for half an hour or so before you leave the house or go to bed." And they were dead serious.

That thing had four printed circuit boards with twelve integrated circuits and hundreds of discrete components like resistors and capacitors, plus three vents just to cool the whole circuitry.

All in all, the more electronic wizardry there is the more can go bust.

Yes, please check the temperatures in various places inside the fridge and then report back.
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@Captain Greybeard Even as much as I like the self cleaning cyle and cathalytic coating. I was even horrified when I stood just next to the oven.

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the manual said that the Special compartments on the bottom of the fridge cool to 0-3C and should be used for meats and sausages. i always thought these were for vegetables. the manual also said there would be malfunction indicators F1,F2, etc if something like a thermostat isn't working. no indicators yet
Ice is frozen water. When does water freeze? When the temperature is 0°C or lower. How does water get in the fridge? Through moisture in the air. How gets air in the fridge? By opening and closing the doors, a non proper closed door, or through a howling squeaky leaky seal. There seems to be two problems: too cold and a leaky seal or obstructed door.
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Re: When does a fridge become a freezer

I have a Zug built in fridge with a wierd problem. Mine seems to defy the laws of physics.

Its the older type with a number rather than a degrees setting. Set to the highest cooling (9), the top shelf is 10 degrees. Middle is 6 degrees. Lowest shelf is 5 or 6 degrees.

But the bottom shelf, which slides out a rack for bottles, is 10 degrees!

I thought heat rose?

Freezer on top works off same coooling system, but maintains -15 to -20.

I have tried all the settings from 0 (off) up, plus completely defrosting it for 48 hours to clear any ice from the condensers and it makes little difference. Seals appear fine.

So I'll swap my fridge for yours, OP

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Re: When does a fridge become a freezer

We had the same issue with our v-Zug fridge last year - followed by the fridge then getting too warm. Broken thermostat. V-Zug came and took the fridge away (leaving a temporary replacement). They offered to either repair (approx CHF 1000) or give a discount on a new fridge (discount of CHF 1000 offered on price of CHF 3500 i think).

We got it repaired - expensive but we didn't have time or inclination to try and find another fridge which would fit into the V-Zug fridge (integrated) space.
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We had the same issue with our v-Zug fridge last year - followed by the fridge then getting too warm. Broken thermostat. V-Zug came and took the fridge away (leaving a temporary replacement). They offered to either repair (approx CHF 1000) or give a discount on a new fridge (discount of CHF 1000 offered on price of CHF 3500 i think).

We got it repaired - expensive but we didn't have time or inclination to try and find another fridge which would fit into the V-Zug fridge (integrated) space.
Thanks this may happen here too...
quite expensive things. Ours is also integrated but we want to renovate next year
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