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Re: What did you compromise on? (property search)

It took me 7 years (7!) to find the right place: old, with original features, garden and quiet. It was, in fact, much more than we hoped for.

We had to compromise on the price, though. No extravagances like food and water for me until 2020.
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Old 11.01.2017, 20:28
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Re: What did you compromise on? (property search)

When we moved five years ago, we were so desperate to find another flat as quickly as possible (our old flat was owned by the hospital and we had to leave because they needed it for hospital staff) that as long as it was somewhere in Baden and we could afford it, we didn't care.
In fact, when we went to the handover, we couldn't remember where the front door of the building was, had no idea what the view from the (tiny) balcony was, as we had viewed the flat on a dark January evening (it is a nice view) and I was convinced there was a dishwasher in the kitchen (there isn't).
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Old 11.01.2017, 20:34
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No extravagances like food and water for me until 2020.
I'd laugh except you sound like the OH with his 3 years of poverty after buying a house combined with the "when I retire" speil.
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Re: What did you compromise on? (property search)

About 20 years ago we were looking around for a larger "weekend place" and found with a lot of luck this Chalet. It was not what we were looking for at the time, but after 2 hours talking about the for and against, we agreed to try and buy it.



And this is the view we have.



We are today, still very happy that we took the chance to buy this place.
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Gorgeous- and plenty of space for cats
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And this is the view we have.

Big Mara, I have already said it before (in another thread), but I just need to repeat it: Wow, what a view! Absolutely breathtaking!

I assume it is not just your "weekend house" anymore... I mean, if I would have a place like this I really doubt I could be using it as a second home only
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Old 12.01.2017, 13:44
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Big Mara, I have already said it before (in another thread), but I just need to repeat it: Wow, what a view! Absolutely breathtaking!

I assume it is not just your "weekend house" anymore... I mean, if I would have a place like this I really doubt I could be using it as a second home only
Ulaula you are right, it was to large for a "weekend" and it is only 30 mins from town, so we moved up into the mountains.
For us it was not a compromise, it was to change our plans from "present" to "future".
At first going down to work in winter, was an adventure (fixing chains on the car etc.). But it was worthwhile just to get out of the low fog.
We are since 10 years OAP and can enjoy our "Big weekend".
In the last 5 weeks we have had, almost every day, blue sky above and grey fog below.
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Old 12.01.2017, 14:32
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Re: What did you compromise on? (property search)

We wanted and found a house
- close to schools
- easy access to public transport
- close to shops
- urban setting
- enough rooms
- lots of light
- large eat-in kitchen

Our priority of an urban setting ruled out most new homes. We found an older house that we completely remodeled. I would have loved better insulation and floor heating but those were too complicated and expensive.

I still dream of a place in which I could walk barefoot year round but other than that I love our home.
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Re: What did you compromise on? (property search)

Boy, this thread is spot on for me today! We sold our home last year, moved into a temporary flat, as we planned to find another situation within the year...but my year is about to end and we are to move out by April....

....only we still have not found the next place....oh dear!


As the time is ticking...I think my list of must haves and nice to have may change...COMPROMISE may take on a new significance.
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Old 13.01.2017, 13:25
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Re: What did you compromise on? (property search)

I found my dream, a Swiss farm, in the Kanton of Luzern...but my husband won't budge...taxes and distance to next village....:-((
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Boy, this thread is spot on for me today! We sold our home last year, moved into a temporary flat, as we planned to find another situation within the year...but my year is about to end and we are to move out by April....

....only we still have not found the next place....oh dear!


As the time is ticking...I think my list of must haves and nice to have may change...COMPROMISE may take on a new significance.
Is there any chance of extending your current rental?

Really, think three times before compromising when buying.,

One of the reasons that I have not bought another house is that I learned with this one that compromise with Swiss property can be crippling. Financially, practically, and most importantly emotionally. Having learned the (very) hard way, I won't buy again in Switzerland unless I find a place that checks all my boxes.

The compromises I made with this house led to a situation that has colored my entire view of life in Switzerland. Had I not make the mistake of compromising on our house I might now have a very different relationship with this country.

If the clock is ticking and there are no properties for sale that check your boxes, is renting, where you are or another temporary rental someplace else, a possibility? Or, what about buying a Ferienhaus that could be used as a bridge while you search for a primary home?

A house where you are not happy can be a very heavy a ball-and-chain.


All the best...
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Old 13.01.2017, 14:40
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The compromises I made with this house led to a situation that has colored my entire view of life in Switzerland. Had I not make the mistake of compromising on our house I might now have a very different relationship with this country.
This is so true, meloncollie. In fact, I wanted to go back home like immediately when even after 3 long years of living here, we were still without a garden. It is just something that defines me, something that makes my life meaningful and something that brings peace to my soul. Beside my furry girl, of course.

A stand alone house with an enormous garden (let's say that around 2000 m2 would be enough, I should stay realistic, right?!) and with good connections for hubby to still be able to commute to his office is our dream and because we know that the chances of getting this here are equal to zero, we can't really feel at home in this country which is quite sad.

So even without bad experiences re properties we have lived in so far, we still can't imagine us staying here much longer and this is purely because of the lack of properties which we are used to and work hard for.

However, I don't see a lot of differences between renting and buying here in terms of being unhappy in a property... If you rent a family house you still sign a lease for 3 years or so, and if things go wrong and you feel miserable and you can't find a nachmieter you are still stuck there and are therefore not much more flexible than with owning it.
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I had to give up my freedom and made a long term commitment to my gf. So I married her.

Still together but the property has been long sold.
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Old 13.01.2017, 15:12
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A stand alone house with an enormous garden (let's say that around 2000 m2 would be enough, I should stay realistic, right?!) and with good connections for hubby to still be able to commute to his office is our dream and because we know that the chances of getting this here are equal to zero, we can't really feel at home in this country which is quite sad.
When we went back the U.K. in the summer, my seven year old - who loves gardening, couldn't believe how big some of the gardens were.
We'd walk past a place and he would just stand and gawp, speechless.

We accepted long ago that even right out in the countryside here, it would be difficult to find a house a gardens of that size.

If your heart is set on 2000m2, you'll probably be disappointed.
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When we went back the U.K. in the summer, my seven year old - who loves gardening, couldn't believe how big some of the gardens were.
We'd walk past a place and he would just stand and gawp, speechless.

We accepted long ago that even right out in the countryside here, it would be difficult to find a house a gardens of that size.

If your heart is set on 2000m2, you'll probably be disappointed.
I have 2800m2, you just need to live somewhere less expensive.

I live 5 minutes (by train or by car) from Fribourg train station and bought a lovely place for the price of a decent flat in Lucerne.

I suppose my compromise is not living in a crowded place, but I prefer it that way.
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When we went back the U.K. in the summer, my seven year old - who loves gardening, couldn't believe how big some of the gardens were.
We'd walk past a place and he would just stand and gawp, speechless.

We accepted long ago that even right out in the countryside here, it would be difficult to find a house a gardens of that size.

If your heart is set on 2000m2, you'll probably be disappointed.
In the countryside here- it is very possible indeed- large garden + 2 large fields = about 4 acres- and massive house too. The Vaud, Neuchâtel Jura and Jura Jura still have those available at very reasonable prices and decent commutes to many cities, but yes, not Zurich.

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I have 2800m2, you just need to live somewhere less expensive.

I live 5 minutes (by train or by car) from Fribourg train station and bought a lovely place for the price of a decent flat in Lucerne.

I suppose my compromise is not living in a crowded place, but I prefer it that way.
Which would be great if your job allows you to live there. But for folks who have to work in Zürich (and other cities i would guess) commuting to/from 'auf dem Land' is not always an option. Especially if you are not a gazillionaire.

By the way, my current house was 'auf dem Land' when we bought it. 12 years on, the village is now a Zürich bedroom suburb. The march of the concrete boxes...

A quick look at Homegate shows that there are only 21 single family houses with a garden of at least 2000m2 for sale in all of canton Zürich. Of those, only 5 are under 2 million. Two of those have Landwirtschaftszone issues that need clarified, one of which, as I know from previous dealing with the agent, someone who is not a 'Bauernsohn' has no chance at a winning bid. From the pictures, 4 of those 5 are in need of renovation, putting them too likely at or over the 2 mio mark.

One of those houses would suit me... except the commute would be far worse than what OH has now. I actually called the agent on that one - and there are already too many interested buyers, they are no longer taking viewings.

Ran the same exercise in canton SZ, where we currently are and where we would like to stay. In the entire canton there are 6 houses for sale with a garden of over 2000m2. Only one has a price listed - 2.79mio. (I know this house, it needs renovation that will put it at least over the 3.5 mark.) The other 5 houses are listed 'Auf Anfrage', which in SwissImmo speak means 'If you have to ask, you can't afford it.'

I used to think I'd like to live farther away, isolated. I chased that dream for 10 years, losing out on so places to one of the many other people with the same dream and more Vitamin B/deeper pockets than we had.

Perhaps that was for the best. I don't have many years left where I can count on being physically able to run a hobby farm. As I grow older I think more about the consequences of living far away from health care, from emergency help... and on a day like today, I think about how long I'll be able to drive those winding mountain farm roads in a heavy snow.

The checklist changes with time. I wish I had found the dream house/farm in my 40s. Now it's too late - so we stay where we are until it's time to go.
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In the countryside here- it is very possible indeed- large garden + 2 large fields = about 4 acres- and massive house too. The Vaud, Neuchâtel Jura and Jura Jura still have those available at very reasonable prices and decent commutes to many cities, but yes, not Zurich.
Odile - that's the same in almost any country.


In Scotland, you can buy a castle for 1.5 million UKP. (it's a big picture because it's a big castle)



That amount would buy you a flat in Zurich.

It's not just Zurich - try and buy a decent property in a popular area in the U.K. and you'll pay silly money for a two-up-two down.
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Re: What did you compromise on? (property search)

Agreed, but commute to London from Scotland could be an issue. I am talking here about areas with a 45 to 55 mins commute. We moved to the Midlands from London, and intended to return to the London area later. But after buying our first 2 houses in the Midlands- we knew we could never go and live in London or greater London area- so fully aware. Most of our family live in Surrey and the prices are just incredible, and the commute a nightmare.

Where we have out flat in UK is 1 hour commute to London by train- and a lot of newcomers are London commuters.
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