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Can anyone help?
At the weekend we were indirectly involved in helping the police stop a thief. Parked down at the sailing club in Pully, on Lake Geneva, the Police shout out…'hold him'…Several bystanders jumped into action and one put out their leg and tripped him, slowing him down.
Adrenalin kicked in and someone else ran after him, tripping him up again, which left the robber falling into lake and onto a boat moored in the marina, (and hence ready to be handcuffed by the police) while the 'hero' fell into the water. Lots of cheers and thanks…
However, point is…in the process the man's glasses (less than a year old and worth more than 2'000 CHF) were lost in the lake…The police sent a diver down but nothing has been found. Of course neither the man's insurance or the police's insurance will cover this...
Does anyone know what he might do…I feel it is so wrong and would like to help. I suggested that the sailing club (from where a wallet had been stolen from the changing rooms prior to the excitement) might intervene and at least suggest gathering together to help towards the guy's glasses…
Any thoughts on the matter…Do you think contacting the sailing club, local council, local paper might help…I think it is outrageous…Law abiding citizens finding themselves called into action and the said 'hero' ends up being punished…surely this isn't correct!
Any thoughts much appreciated.
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Old 06.05.2015, 23:58
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Can anyone help?
At the weekend we were indirectly involved in helping the police stop a thief. Parked down at the sailing club in Pully, on Lake Geneva, the Police shout out…'hold him'…Several bystanders jumped into action and one put out their leg and tripped him, slowing him down.
Adrenalin kicked in and someone else ran after him, tripping him up again, which left the robber falling into lake and onto a boat moored in the marina, (and hence ready to be handcuffed by the police) while the 'hero' fell into the water. Lots of cheers and thanks…
However, point is…in the process the man's glasses (less than a year old and worth more than 2'000 CHF) were lost in the lake…The police sent a diver down but nothing has been found. Of course neither the man's insurance or the police's insurance will cover this...
Does anyone know what he might do…I feel it is so wrong and would like to help. I suggested that the sailing club (from where a wallet had been stolen from the changing rooms prior to the excitement) might intervene and at least suggest gathering together to help towards the guy's glasses…
Any thoughts on the matter…Do you think contacting the sailing club, local council, local paper might help…I think it is outrageous…Law abiding citizens finding themselves called into action and the said 'hero' ends up being punished…surely this isn't correct!
Any thoughts much appreciated.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it is against the law to intervene in a police matter. The police officer's conduct was also incorrect. Hence, IMO nobody will pay for the "hero's" lost glasses.
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Old 07.05.2015, 00:53
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Re: Who is liable to pay?

2000 Fr. glasses!
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Old 07.05.2015, 01:06
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2000 Fr. glasses!

Why would that surprise you in Switzerland?
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2000 Fr. glasses!
Sadly it's more than possible to pay that if the prescription is strong enough.... my last pair were chf 650 per lense, and just over 400 for the frames, and that was several years ago..... I need to replace them but can't afford to!

@carrerclan; I think the Fielmann guarantee covers lose within the first year, it might be worth asking if the opticians where your 'hero' bought his glasses has a similar guarantee.
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Re: Who is liable to pay?

'Hero' is used a lot these days
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Re: Who is liable to pay?

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Can anyone help?
However, point is…in the process the man's glasses (less than a year old and worth more than 2'000 CHF) were lost in the lake…The police sent a diver down but nothing has been found. Of course neither the man's insurance or the police's insurance will cover this...
…I feel it is so wrong and would like to help.
Any thoughts much appreciated.
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Old 07.05.2015, 09:01
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Sadly it's more than possible to pay that if the prescription is strong enough....
No wonder he fell in the lake if his eyesight was that bad...
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Old 07.05.2015, 09:23
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Re: Who is liable to pay?

Still amazes me what folk will pay for various goods in Switzerland without batting an eyelid. Does home insurance not cover it?
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Old 07.05.2015, 09:28
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Still amazes me what folk will pay for various goods in Switzerland without batting an eyelid. Does home insurance not cover it?
That's what I was thinking. Leaving out the "heroic" bit, would insurance cover if he just lost his glasses while doing something else?
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Old 07.05.2015, 09:29
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That's what I was thinking. Leaving out the "heroic" bit, would insurance cover if he just lost his glasses while doing something else?
Probably.
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Re: Who is liable to pay?

In that case I'm pretty sure he just slipped and fell in the lake by accident
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Old 07.05.2015, 10:17
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Re: Who is liable to pay?

The police/government will reimburse the hero, just have him make a claim, perferably including a copy of the invoice (a copy of a payment slip or of a bank transfer statement should do the trick as well I guess).

The bernese police law unconditionally says "helpers will be reimbursed for any damages incurred while helping the police". Zürich police law says the same so I'd expect this to apply all over Switzerland.

Berner Polizeigesetz §58:
Haftung bei Hilfeleistung Dritter
1 Dritte, die den Polizeibehörden bei der Erfüllung ihrer Aufgaben Hilfe leisten, haben Anspruch auf Ersatz des Schadens, den sie in Ausübung dieser Tätigkeit erlitten haben.

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3whishes, I don't think any insurance will pay if the owner loses something. For instance, you dropping your own glasses into the lake won't be reimbursed. But if somebody stepped on your glasses, or somebody else dropped your glasses into the lake, that person would be liable to reimburse you, and if he had one his 3rd party damage insurance (Haftpflichtversicherung) would pay (usually doesn't apply to close relatives and persons living in the same household).
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