Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Insurance
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61  
Old 03.03.2016, 22:00
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: ZH
Posts: 717
Groaned at 5 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 648 Times in 338 Posts
daffy99 has an excellent reputationdaffy99 has an excellent reputationdaffy99 has an excellent reputationdaffy99 has an excellent reputation
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
The Cantonal health insurance subsidy is not backdated and is based on the last final, and accepted, tax declaration, probably for the tax year 2014.
The information by the canton of Bern at http://www.jgk.be.ch/jgk/de/index/pr.../anspruch.html are, lets say, more flexible (dynamic recompute etc etc).

The administration is pretty adamant, though, about the subsidy only applying to the _current calendar year_ (i.e. 2016). If the affected parties had reacted in 2015, it might have saved them CHF 6000.
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 03.03.2016, 22:05
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 8,411
Groaned at 141 Times in 122 Posts
Thanked 14,611 Times in 6,217 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
Zurirollt, I think you've gotten confused. It has everything to do with the neighbors, as the OP strated this thread on behalf of his/her neighbors. The registered letter would not be sent to your ('your' in the general sense) neighbors, but to OP's neighbors specifically - the ones in CHF 8000 debt.
very smart.



(to be honest, it had me baffled too)
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank amogles for this useful post:
  #63  
Old 03.03.2016, 22:10
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: ZH
Posts: 717
Groaned at 5 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 648 Times in 338 Posts
daffy99 has an excellent reputationdaffy99 has an excellent reputationdaffy99 has an excellent reputationdaffy99 has an excellent reputation
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
In Germany you can't make the decision, not to pay the health insurance.
You can find ways in Germany not to pay health insurance and to not even _have_ health insurance - it will bite in you in the back quarters, though, as
a) by law you have to have health insurance
b) any "missed" health insurance payments will have to be paid eventually, fully dating back

Not being health insured would be a bit unusual, though, as social security systems would kick in when somebody is in need (Alg I, Alg II, Sozialgeld, Sozialhilfe etc)
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 03.03.2016, 22:49
ZuriRollt's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,793
Groaned at 41 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 2,063 Times in 926 Posts
ZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
No way... it has nothing whatsoever to do with the neighbours . What on Earth are your credentials that you're trying to give advice here?
My apologies - got the concept of neighbours mixed up in this thread. (i fell asleep and then woke up - not a good time to post). Was a hard week.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank ZuriRollt for this useful post:
  #65  
Old 03.03.2016, 23:00
Belgianmum's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Was Belgium now Neuchâtel
Posts: 8,220
Groaned at 60 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 10,241 Times in 4,924 Posts
Belgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
TBH the OP has done the right thing - in posting a poor sequence of events on an English forum instead of allowing the neighbours in question to use their computer and look for answers in German.
Quote:
View Post
Dear Members,


I am trying to help my Neighbors as they are in Financial trouble and have no computer at the moment to make their questions.

Except that the neighbours don't actually have a computer.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Belgianmum for this useful post:
  #66  
Old 03.03.2016, 23:46
Papa Goose's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Ägeri
Posts: 3,607
Groaned at 233 Times in 190 Posts
Thanked 4,042 Times in 1,742 Posts
Papa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
Except that the neighbours don't actually have a computer.
Sarcasm fail... If you read what you quoted, DK did say use the op's computer
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Papa Goose for this useful post:
This user groans at Papa Goose for this post:
  #67  
Old 04.03.2016, 08:49
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 9,840
Groaned at 340 Times in 276 Posts
Thanked 17,510 Times in 6,686 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
Except that the neighbours don't actually have a computer.
Quote:
View Post
Sarcasm fail... If you read what you quoted, DK did say use the op's computer
This week has seen EF littered with people who can't read - Odile had a couple of classics (elsewhere and in this thread), ZuriRollt here too and now BM.

I know eyetests are expensive here but........
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank dodgyken for this useful post:
  #68  
Old 04.03.2016, 09:32
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: CH
Posts: 202
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 660 Times in 163 Posts
lawyerd has a reputation beyond reputelawyerd has a reputation beyond reputelawyerd has a reputation beyond reputelawyerd has a reputation beyond reputelawyerd has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
No way... it has nothing whatsoever to do with the neighbours . What on Earth are your credentials that you're trying to give advice here?
My credentials? I can read. In fact I can read so well I even went to university and got a law degree. Lots of careful reading required there. How about you?
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank lawyerd for this useful post:
  #69  
Old 04.03.2016, 10:08
Belgianmum's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Was Belgium now Neuchâtel
Posts: 8,220
Groaned at 60 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 10,241 Times in 4,924 Posts
Belgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
TBH the OP has done the right thing - in posting a poor sequence of events on an English forum instead of allowing the neighbours in question to use their computer and look for answers in German.
Quote:
View Post
Dear Members,


I am trying to help my Neighbors as they are in Financial trouble and have no computer at the moment to make their questions.



Quote:
View Post
Except that the neighbours don't actually have a computer.
Quote:
View Post
Sarcasm fail... If you read what you quoted, DK did say use the op's computer
Did he? Are you sure about that?

Whilst it's perfectly acceptable to use a plural pronoun ( in this case their) in a gender-neutral singular construction as a singular pronoun it is not clear in the sentence I quoted exactly who the pronoun is referring to. As the neighbours are plural and the OP is singular in this instance a singular pronoun (his/her) would have made his intended meaning more transparent.

Quote:
View Post
This week has seen EF littered with people who can't read - Odile had a couple of classics (elsewhere and in this thread), ZuriRollt here too and now BM.

I know eyetests are expensive here but........
I can read perfectly well thank you unlike other people on this thread, Papa Goose included.

Maybe if people didn't use ambiguous sentence constructions in their posts it would make them easier to understand.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Belgianmum for this useful post:
This user groans at Belgianmum for this post:
  #70  
Old 04.03.2016, 10:37
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 9,840
Groaned at 340 Times in 276 Posts
Thanked 17,510 Times in 6,686 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
TBH the OP has done the right thing - in posting a poor sequence of events on an English forum instead of allowing the neighbours in question to use their computer and look for answers in German.
Quote:
View Post
Whilst it's perfectly acceptable to use a plural pronoun ( in this case their) in a gender-neutral singular construction as a singular pronoun it is not clear in the sentence I quoted exactly who the pronoun is referring to. As the neighbours are plural and the OP is singular in this instance a singular pronoun (his/her) would have made his intended meaning more transparent.
1) The highlighted (in bold) is a course of action taken by the person in the first part of the sentence

2) Why would the neighbours seek the permission of the OP to use their own computer?

3) As we were told in post 1 that the neighbours didn't have a computer why would it be suggested they use a computer they don't have?

His/Her he/she are horrid and are born out of an obsession to be PC - the now current use of the their/they resolves the PC issue but then causes problems for smart-arses who like to read every sentences as if it is an English language exam paper, rather than absorbing what has been written and applying it in context.

__________________
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet" Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank dodgyken for this useful post:
  #71  
Old 04.03.2016, 11:00
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Bern
Posts: 38
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 18 Times in 8 Posts
giasilverstein has no particular reputation at present
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Thank you for everyone that helped. I appreciate.


Like I said, I just know what they told me. Maybe there is more behind, maybe not, i really don't know.


All I wanted was to give a little help since they have no computer and are struggling in life.


Mission accomplished and the future belongs to them to fix.


I have my share to deal with ;-)
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank giasilverstein for this useful post:
  #72  
Old 04.03.2016, 11:16
Papa Goose's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Ägeri
Posts: 3,607
Groaned at 233 Times in 190 Posts
Thanked 4,042 Times in 1,742 Posts
Papa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
Did he? Are you sure about that?
Yes perfectly, as the meaning is clear when the sentence is read..... to most anyway.

Quote:
View Post
Whilst it's perfectly acceptable to use a plural pronoun ( in this case their) in a gender-neutral singular construction as a singular pronoun it is not clear in the sentence I quoted exactly who the pronoun is referring to. As the neighbours are plural and the OP is singular in this instance a singular pronoun (his/her) would have made his intended meaning more transparent.

Maybe if people didn't use ambiguous sentence constructions in their posts it would make them easier to understand.

I smiled at that, but glad you accept it is ok to use their there.

It may have escaped the microscope of some that simple communication in an understandable form gets the message across, unless it makes no sense of course. This is an English language forum with people of varying degrees of comprehension contributing, not a test of grammar, syntax or diction. Maybe we should have a minimum standard of English to keep the pedants happy, as good old colloquial clearly doesn't cut it for some?
__________________
How do you know if a Frenchman has been in your garden.... your rubbish is gone, your dog is pregnant.... but at least your cabbages are pest free

Last edited by Papa Goose; 04.03.2016 at 11:27.
Reply With Quote
This user groans at Papa Goose for this post:
  #73  
Old 04.03.2016, 11:32
pilatus1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Luzern
Posts: 918
Groaned at 118 Times in 76 Posts
Thanked 2,210 Times in 859 Posts
pilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
1)

His/Her he/she are horrid and are born out of an obsession to be PC -
why you insensitive, callous old grump!

Reply With Quote
  #74  
Old 04.03.2016, 11:39
Belgianmum's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Was Belgium now Neuchâtel
Posts: 8,220
Groaned at 60 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 10,241 Times in 4,924 Posts
Belgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post


I smiled at that, but glad you accept it is ok to use their there.

It may have escaped the microscope of some that simple communication in an understandable form gets the message across, unless it makes no sense of course. This is an English language forum with people of varying degrees of comprehension contributing, not a test of grammar, syntax or diction. Maybe we should have a minimum standard of English to keep the pedants happy, as good old colloquial clearly doesn't cut it for some?


And that's exactly my point. You're reading it as a native English speaker who understands the nuances etc. A non native speaker for the most part would attribute 'their' to the neighbours and not the OP in the sentence as it was written by Dodgyken.

I'll leave you and Ken to your little love fest, I'm sure you'll be very happy together.
Reply With Quote
This user groans at Belgianmum for this post:
  #75  
Old 04.03.2016, 11:54
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 9,840
Groaned at 340 Times in 276 Posts
Thanked 17,510 Times in 6,686 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
TBH the OP has done the right thing - in posting a poor sequence of events on an English forum instead of allowing the neighbours in question to use their computer and look for answers in German.
Quote:
View Post
And that's exactly my point. You're reading it as a native English speaker who understands the nuances etc. A non native speaker for the most part would attribute 'their' to the neighbours and not the OP in the sentence as it was written by Dodgyken.
I think we have found the problem

In English, if I had meant what you thought I had meant I would have written the below. The sentence as originally written was linked to the OP and not the neighbours, because of that I would have actively implied the neighbours should have used their own computer. Additionally, as I have already mentioned, by using "allow" it implies that the object to be used was not normally accessible to the neighbours:

"TBH the OP has done the right thing - in posting a poor sequence of events on an English forum instead of encouraging the neighbours to use their own computer and look for answers in German. "

I produce English language press releases for a few companies and the most time consuming part of the whole process is dissecting the 12 line German sentences and then rebuilding them in such a way that the priority of the sentence reads correctly in English - is the location the most important? date? the noun? the verb? the pronoun?

And then they throw in a couple of German sayings, whereupon I bang my head against the wall and try to figure out what exactly they mean!!
__________________
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet" Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #76  
Old 04.03.2016, 12:01
Papa Goose's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Ägeri
Posts: 3,607
Groaned at 233 Times in 190 Posts
Thanked 4,042 Times in 1,742 Posts
Papa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
And that's exactly my point. You're reading it as a native English speaker who understands the nuances etc. A non native speaker for the most part would attribute 'their' to the neighbours and not the OP in the sentence as it was written by Dodgyken.
And you think a non-native english speaker would understand plural, non plural, regular and irregular nouns or verbs?.... I think not. The opening post was a case in point, a valiant effort to help, but not correct.

The post of DK's was perfectly understandable as written, no need for over complication, and most realise that for the non native English speakers colloquial works just fine. So no, no love fest, and no need to try to be smug or linguistically superior when it isn't needed either.

Last edited by Papa Goose; 04.03.2016 at 15:10.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Papa Goose for this useful post:
This user groans at Papa Goose for this post:
  #77  
Old 04.03.2016, 12:20
Meeyat's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Basel
Posts: 680
Groaned at 18 Times in 11 Posts
Thanked 874 Times in 349 Posts
Meeyat has a reputation beyond reputeMeeyat has a reputation beyond reputeMeeyat has a reputation beyond reputeMeeyat has a reputation beyond reputeMeeyat has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
And you think a non-native english speaker would understand plural, non plural, regular and irregular nouns or verbs?.... I think not.
How do you think, then, that a non-native English speaker learns English? Without understanding what is singular, what is plural, etc it is next to impossible to learn the language (unless starting from very young age, or taking very long time).

In fact, you'd be surprised to see how much time students of English take to learn irregular verbs.

But this is totally off-topic now, my apologies.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Meeyat for this useful post:
  #78  
Old 04.03.2016, 12:33
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 9,840
Groaned at 340 Times in 276 Posts
Thanked 17,510 Times in 6,686 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
In fact, you'd be surprised to see how much time students of English take to learn irregular verbs.

But this is totally off-topic now, my apologies.
I wouldn't - English is a horrific language to learn to any degree of mastery. Rules are constructed simply so they can be broken in 27 specific circumstances. There are words that sound the same but are written differently - a bare bear for example. Or words that are written the same but sound different "I live for live music".

There are words that should sound the same but don't "That tree has a rough bough."

I have deep suspicions that the English made English so complicated so that they'd be able to identify their own when speaking to foreign types no matter how good their English was.

(Deliberately throwing in contextual pronouns for a giggle)
__________________
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet" Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank dodgyken for this useful post:
  #79  
Old 04.03.2016, 12:39
Papa Goose's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Ägeri
Posts: 3,607
Groaned at 233 Times in 190 Posts
Thanked 4,042 Times in 1,742 Posts
Papa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond reputePapa Goose has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
How do you think, then, that a non-native English speaker learns English? Without understanding what is singular, what is plural, etc it is next to impossible to learn the language (unless starting from very young age, or taking very long time).

In fact, you'd be surprised to see how much time students of English take to learn irregular verbs.

But this is totally off-topic now, my apologies.
Yes this has been dragged off topic.

What has the learning time got to do with anything though? You refer to students which would indicate classes. I would hazzard a guess that many non native speakers have never taken a formal class for a variety of reason, but learn by informal interactions. So the use of plural, non plural, regular and irregular verbs and nouns would never be covered. On that basis the simplest way to communicate works, else we will have someone regularly picking up wayward incorrect usages which derails threads (like this).
Reply With Quote
  #80  
Old 04.03.2016, 12:45
Belgianmum's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Was Belgium now Neuchâtel
Posts: 8,220
Groaned at 60 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 10,241 Times in 4,924 Posts
Belgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Due health Insurance - Drastic consequences?

Quote:
View Post
And you think a non-native english speaker would understand plural, non plural, regular and irregular nouns or verbs?.... I think not.

Unless they were a complete beginner of course they would. What a ridiculous thing to say.
A huge number of the posters on here are not native English speakers are you seriously saying that they don't know the difference between plural and singular pronouns?
Reply With Quote
This user groans at Belgianmum for this post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
European Health Insurance Card coverage and complementary private insurance SilviaGiorgetti Insurance 10 19.08.2015 22:20
Health insurance breached my health confidentiality Switzerland12 Complaints corner 26 19.05.2015 23:46
Cancelling complementary health insurance outside deadlines due to hardship jobseekeronedge Insurance 3 16.04.2015 16:12
When are 2013 Health Insurance premiums due to be announced. SeafordSteve Insurance 12 28.09.2012 14:54
health care/ health insurance/customs/American outlining Insurance 5 16.05.2012 11:52


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 21:20.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0