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Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama (Update: Site now on a Swiss domain)

Welll, it is all looking quite interesting, I suspect I will wake up tomorrow morning and find the world has gone to sh1t. Having just had a brief skim read through the first few leaked cables it is quite interesting to note that Hilary Clinton seems to have ordered the US to spy on the leaders of the UN, Saudi Arabia has urged the US to attack Iran and apparently a British Royal has acted inappropriately, (well perhaps that isn't so unusual)
The Guardian is running an update on the leaks as it happens, bits and bobs I have found are below.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...plomacy-crisis

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The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.....
Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN's leadership.These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistlebowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues.
These include a major shift in relations between China and North Korea, Pakistan's growing instability and details of clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen.
Among scores of other disclosures that are likely to cause uproar, the cables detail:
• Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme
• Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime.
• Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan.
• Claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the British royal family.
The US has particularly intimate dealings with Britain, and some of the dispatches from the London embassy in Grosvenor Square will make uncomfortable reading in Whitehall and Westminster. They range from serious political criticisms of David Cameron to requests for specific intelligence about individual MPs.
The cache of cables contains specific allegations of corruption and against foreign leaders, as well as harsh criticism by US embassy staff of their host governments, from tiny islands in the Caribbean to China and Russia.
The material includes a reference to Vladimir Putin as an "alpha-dog", Hamid Karzai as being "driven by paranoia" and Angela Merkel allegedly "avoids risk and is rarely creative". There is also a comparison between Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Adolf Hitler.
The cables name countries involved in financing terror groups, and describe a near "environmental disaster" last year over a rogue shipment of enriched uranium. They disclose technical details of secret US-Russian nuclear missile negotiations in Geneva, and include a profile of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who they say is accompanied everywhere by a "voluptuous blonde" Ukrainian nurse.
The cables cover secretary of state Hillary Clinton's activities under the Obama administration, as well as thousands of files from the George Bush presidency. Clinton personally led frantic damage limitation this weekend as Washington prepared foreign governments for the revelations. She contacted leaders in Germany, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf, France and Afghanistan.
What are "diplomatic cables"?: communications of the State Department and its embassies, consulates and missions.

Wikileaks Tweet November 22, 2010: "The coming months will see a new world, where global history is redefined. Keep us strong"

UK Government has issued a "D-notice" warning to all UK news editors, asking to be briefed on upcoming WikiLeaks stories.
*In Britain, a Defence Advisory Notice or DA-Notice (called a Defence Notice or D-Notice until 1993) is an official request to news editors not to publish or broadcast items on specified subjects for reasons of national security.*

-The D-notice is a type 1 (Military Operations, Plans & Capabilities) and type 5 (United Kingdom Security & Intelligence Special Services).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/...bles-live-blog
6.32pm: It's also worth mentioning, as widely reported elsewhere, that Wikileaks has alleged that its website, which many internet users had not been able to access over the day, had been deliberately targeted. "We are currently under a mass distributed denial of service attack," it said in a tweet.

As a final quote http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaN...6AR0D420101128

Italy calls Wikileaks release "9/11 of diplomacy"
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This is beautiful.
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Old 28.11.2010, 19:01
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

I'm following the drama as it unfolds on an other forum. Of what I have heard/read so far I get a feeling of "was that all?". I don't see how this type of diplomatic gossip can be an world turning event. I do however, think that it can influence the diplomatic relations between countries in the future. In the same way as office gossip or groaning/bad repping here in EF of course creates and influence alliances.
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

Also of note is this site
http://wlcentral.org/node/358
The unofficial update site.

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Der Spiegel: Q & A: What the diplomatic cables actually reveal
Der Spiegel has posted a Q&A about the 'Embassy Files' release. Among the details:
  • Included are 251,287 cables and 8,000 diplomatic directives
  • One cable dates back to 1966, but most are newer than 2004
  • 9,005 documents date from the first two months of 2010
  • Der Spiegel, The New York Times, The Guardian, Le Monde and El País have had access to the files and reviewed them.
None of the documents are classified 'Top Secret', but only 'Secret' at the highest classification rating. This was also confirmed by Politico's White House correspondent Mike Allen on Twitter, quoting the US administration.
According to Der Spiegel, just over half of the cables are not subject to classification, 40.5 percent are classified as "confidential" and only six percent or 15,652 dispatches as "secret." 2.5 million U.S. employees have access to SIPRNET material, where these cables originated.
A graphical representation of the worldwide distribution of the cables appears on the Spiegel site.
Der Spiegel is expected to go live with the full edition at 22:30 Sunday, local time, according to a front page announcement.
Read more
Update: Spiegel article may have been posted too early. It appears to have been taken down at the moment.
Or we have been spanked and told not to publish this information.

The Spiegel did have a bit up about the articles earlier but it appears to have gone, the translation page is though still up
http://translate.google.com/translat...schen-wirklich

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Each telegram consists of date, author, recipient, classification and the actual message text. Often it includes names of informants or names are mentioned. The SPIEGEL and SPIEGEL ONLINE have therefore decided not to make the mass of documents accessible, but to quote only from individual dispatches or document a single cable, in which the names of informants have been deleted - unless the name of the informer has political relevance.

[Of the Secret Cables] 4330 of them are so explosive that they have been designated as "Noforn", that should not be made available to foreigners.

Unlike the U.S. military reports from Iraq and Afghanistan, the diplomatic telegrams are easier to read. They lack abbreviations in the text and are usually created in an office under no time pressure.

Much is written in the faith and sent that the logs do not get exposed to the public during the next 25 years. This probably explains why the ambassadors and envoys of the United States also engage in much gossip and report much hearsay to the headquarters.

Diplomacy is only calculative to the outside. Internally diplomats use a straightforward language.

The cables mostly contain assessments of the political situation in the country, meeting protocols, background information about personnel decisions and events - or personality profiles of individual politicians.
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Old 28.11.2010, 19:05
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

Of course there will be a lot of fuss, postering, offence taking, about a few of the leaks, but frankly I doubt whether anyone will really be surprised over any revelation - for the ones revealed so far, I'd have been more surprised if they hadn't actually happened.
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

Many newspapers started reporting about the documents they received.
- NY Times
- Spiegel


I found a site Statelogs that enables user.friendly browsing into the huge amount of files; need to test it.
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Old 28.11.2010, 19:16
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

I'm amazed how these secret reports are in sync with what the informed media consumer knows already.

What, no conspiracy ?
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Conspiracy would imply a level of competence not usually found among governments or their agencies.
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

In your opinion: is wikileaks a hero for providing these kind of documents to the public or are they putting the world (as we know it) at risk?

I'm not talking about personal opinions about politicians. Let them think about Merkel and Sarkozy what they want. But for example, publishing links between a government and organized crimes could have severe consequences for the political stability of a country. Is it 'knowing the truth' worth it?
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Old 28.11.2010, 20:32
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Re: Wikileaks -OMIFGOD, lots of drama

Let it ALL unravel. I'm tired of all the lies.

But then....
• Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme
• Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime.
• Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan.
• Claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the British royal family.


Some of us instinctively knew all that already.

This one cracked me up:
"and include a profile of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who they say is accompanied everywhere by a "voluptuous blonde" Ukrainian nurse."
Hahaha
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I think bankers are far more dangerous and represent a higher risk than wikileaks. We can't say that the crisis since 2008 did not change the world.

The interesting thing in this embassies messages leaks is that people wrote them without imagining that one day it'll become publicly available to anyone. Therefore the confidences and details carry a lot of interesting information about the context.
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“We’ll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours,” Mr. Saleh said, according to the cable sent by the American ambassador, prompting Yemen’s deputy prime minister to “joke that he had just ‘lied’ by telling Parliament” that Yemeni forces had carried out the strikes.

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The only mistakes made were they got busted... Is anyone actually surprised by any of the leaks ?
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The only mistakes made were they got busted... Is anyone actually surprised by any of the leaks ?
Well if there is nothing in the leaks, why is the US gov. spending a lot of energy to prevent reactions from some countries (france, germany, turkey, etc...).
I like the Spiegel article about the US spy network within german government. I guess you were not aware of it?!
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The Wikileaks site is still down by DDOS attacks. Makes one wonder which and how many governments are presently bombarding their site now.

source: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/11/28...?iref=obinsite
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I think bankers are far more dangerous and represent a higher risk than wikileaks. We can't say that the crisis since 2008 did not change the world.
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Bankers can do harm, but they don't have weapons of mass destruction. And the influence of the banking crisis on my little world was rather small I should add.
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The Wikileaks site is still down by DOS attacks. Makes one wonder which and how many governments are presently bombarding their site now.
Not to forget the 'why'. If it's just 'Merkel isn't creative' BS.
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Bankers can do harm, but they don't have weapons of mass destruction. And the influence of the banking crisis on my little world was rather small I should add.
1) one of the leaks i read is about how turkish banks help Iran finance their nuclear program.

2) it's great if the crisis did not affect your world. But a lot of people lost jobs, homes, and we are all paying the crisis with tax money.
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The only mistakes made were they got busted... Is anyone actually surprised by any of the leaks ?

I haven't seen a lot of new things that haven't already been speculated about or analyzed by informed news media. Khadafi's Ukranian nurse maybe. Other than that, I haven't seen any bombshells. Only firecrackers.

There is the North Korea smuggling of a missile system to Iran capable of a nuclear paylod. Any Berlusconi and Putin's "special" relationship.
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I haven't seen a lot of new things that haven't already been speculated about or analyzed by informed news media. Khadafi's Ukranian nurse maybe. Other than that, I haven't seen any bombshells. Only firecrackers.
Hillary Clinton asking US diplomats to spy UN diplomats:
"The information to be collected included personal credit card information, frequent flyer customer numbers, as well as e-mail and telephone accounts. In many cases the State Department also required “biometric information,” “passwords” and “personal encryption keys."

just imagine how US diplomats will be received in their UN office tomorrow.....
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