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"Violent clashes have returned to central Cairo after government security forces opened fire on thousands of protesters who had been demonstrating against the military junta. Egyptian state TV reported 81 people were injured in clashes with police in Tahrir Square."
There were a sit in from yesterday in Tahrir (around 200) and CSF came to kick them out this morning in their usual violent way, so we coordinated with all activists on the ground to go down to Tahrir and they went through a fierce fight all day long with CSF / MOI but no army involved, 213 wounded from our side, 7 from their side but end of of the day, they got beaten out of the entire Tahrir, now we're securing remote hospitals in Tahrir and negotiating a sit in.

That's the brief of today and will update you on any news, you can watch some scenes here tumblr

Live streaming from Tahrir (Arabic):

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P.S: There were no religious movements involved today, pure activists and citizens
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Friday's demo had lots of Muslim brothers, they went home and let the seculars get a beating. You're a long way from Democracy
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Friday's demo had lots of Muslim brothers, they went home and let the seculars get a beating. You're a long way from Democracy
First: I said today not yesterday
Second: If the most population would vote for Islamists, then we accept it, isn't that what democracy is about or it doesn't apply on Islamists
Third: What's wrong with Islamists if they are moderate, Islam isn't bad, you know this...right?
Fourth: If Israel doesn't like Islamist Egypt, they're free to relocate back to Europe where they originally came from, no one is forcing them to be a neighbor of islamist Egypt
Fifth: I'm not adding more comments regarding this subject, i will keep updating on situation, nothing more / nothing less
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Let's see how "Moderate" the MB will be - The Tunisians are already talking about the 6th caliphate.

As for Israel - About half the Israelis are refugees from Muslim countries. do you really want them back in Egypt claiming what's theirs ? Anyway - without Israel, you'll have to find another excuse for Egypt's backwardness, better stick to the tried and tested one.
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Old 19.11.2011, 22:39
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Situation escalating all over Egypt, Suez, Mahala, Alexandria, Sohag, Mansoura are on the rise.

CSF & SCAF are facing their hardest time ever today and no one is willing to stop....bring on 28 Jan again but this time with no army involved
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Let's see how "Moderate" the MB will be - The Tunisians are already talking about the 6th caliphate.

As for Israel - About half the Israelis are refugees from Muslim countries. do you really want them back in Egypt claiming what's theirs ? Anyway - without Israel, you'll have to find another excuse for Egypt's backwardness, better stick to the tried and tested one.
A) The Tunisians do NOT talk about "caliphate"
B) The party which got majority in Tunisia may be moderately islamist but in reality is dominated by NON-fundamentalists (not numberwise I mean but in regard to the top echelons)
C) Tunisia cannot establish a caliphate. A caliphate only could be established by large majority-wise Muslim countries like Turkey, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and the Philippines. And a new Kalif would face the same problem as the Pope does, which means that the political leaders do not take commands from the religious top shot. Do not forget that the Kalif up to WW-I also was Sultan of the Turkish Empire at the same time and so had a combination of religious and political power.
D) getting back what is theirs ? May be, but even if, as unlikely as it is, they would bring round to Egypt their know-how, their expertise and experience and their money
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Old 20.11.2011, 04:28
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A) The Tunisians do NOT talk about "caliphate"
B) The party which got majority in Tunisia may be moderately islamist but in reality is dominated by NON-fundamentalists (not numberwise I mean but in regard to the top echelons)
C) Tunisia cannot establish a caliphate. A caliphate only could be established by large majority-wise Muslim countries like Turkey, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and the Philippines. And a new Kalif would face the same problem as the Pope does, which means that the political leaders do not take commands from the religious top shot. Do not forget that the Kalif up to WW-I also was Sultan of the Turkish Empire at the same time and so had a combination of religious and political power.
D) getting back what is theirs ? May be, but even if, as unlikely as it is, they would bring round to Egypt their know-how, their expertise and experience and their money
Do try to keep up with the news.

You are aware that election promises are only promises ?
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Old 20.11.2011, 16:24
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

After the unfortunate events earlier today, situation in just a few words:

SCAF wants war, they will get war....END OF
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Do try to keep up with the news.

You are aware that election promises are only promises ?
Hamadi Jbeli knows fairly well that Tunisia cannot establish a Kaliphate. So that his talk is rethorics. The others however are quite right not to accept such rubbish.

At the other hand, it is obvious that the next elections campaign now got started.... really amazing
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Old 20.11.2011, 19:53
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After the unfortunate events earlier today, situation in just a few words:

SCAF wants war, they will get war....END OF
War ? Who has weapons ? "Power comes out of the barrels of the rifles and guns" was what already Mr Djugashvili declared
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War ? Who has weapons ? "Power comes out of the barrels of the rifles and guns" was what already Mr Djugashvili declared
For now it's going on with courageous youth and men and women fighting for their freedom against MP + CSF combined, all kind of weapons used and mass killing taking place....no weapons involved though

Today we submitted a list of demands, mainly asking for NTG and total withdrawal of scaf from power.

So far we reached 19 cities protesting and over 70,000 in Tahrir

If there will be requirement for weapons at any point, i'm not even worried about that....but we want to avoid this.

This video is an example of the killing and getting rid of corpse in the garbage by the CSF & MP

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

We brought our revolution back to life and got rid of any political parties.....it's all about the nation now, every political representation have been kicked out of the square and no one will will take over our revolution anymore.

From the look of it there's lots of contradiction and coups in the government and they're falling apart.....we're resuming till the very last moment, i'm stuck here still but hopefully i will be jumping on a plane by soon and joining forces with the revolutionaries in Tahrir.

The sad news i lost 3 friends and 2 lost their eyes, but guess this is a minimum price to pay for the cause.

Some of the funny notes, they spent so much money on CR riot gas which we found that a mix of Yeast and water heals it....guess god is on our side.

Here's a photo selection of the EgyRevolt part 2

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2...square/100192/

UPDATE: GOVERNMENT RESIGNED
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We brought our revolution back to life and got rid of any political parties.....it's all about the nation now, every political representation have been kicked out of the square and no one will will take over our revolution anymore.

From the look of it there's lots of contradiction and coups in the government and they're falling apart.....we're resuming till the very last moment, i'm stuck here still but hopefully i will be jumping on a plane by soon and joining forces with the revolutionaries in Tahrir.

The sad news i lost 3 friends and 2 lost their eyes, but guess this is a minimum price to pay for the cause.

Some of the funny notes, they spent so much money on CR riot gas which we found that a mix of Yeast and water heals it....guess god is on our side.

Here's a photo selection of the EgyRevolt part 2

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2...square/100192/

UPDATE: GOVERNMENT RESIGNED
Let's look at it in a practical way. I looked at an interview with a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood. The practical question is " can I get a glass of red wine in a normal restaurant in Cairo and in a normal bar in Cairo" ? Or not ? And this with what a Cairo chap described as a "Cairene face" ?
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We brought our revolution back to life and got rid of any political parties.....it's all about the nation now, every political representation have been kicked out of the square and no one will will take over our revolution anymore.

From the look of it there's lots of contradiction and coups in the government and they're falling apart.....we're resuming till the very last moment, i'm stuck here still but hopefully i will be jumping on a plane by soon and joining forces with the revolutionaries in Tahrir.

The sad news i lost 3 friends and 2 lost their eyes, but guess this is a minimum price to pay for the cause.

Some of the funny notes, they spent so much money on CR riot gas which we found that a mix of Yeast and water heals it....guess god is on our side.

Here's a photo selection of the EgyRevolt part 2

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2...square/100192/

UPDATE: GOVERNMENT RESIGNED
Good luck & be careful out there.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Tahrir is just beautiful and the revolution is revived totally at it's best....it's power to the people now
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Enjoy it while it lasts - The chances of Egypt having a democratic regime soon are slightly lower than those of snow in Cairo.
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Tahrir is just beautiful and the revolution is revived totally at it's best....it's power to the people now
While I hope for the best for Egypt, I find the situation rather ugly and sad at the moment, with General Tantawi still holding full power, while making unclear promises.

Not to speak about the negative impact onto the tourism industry.
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Enjoy it while it lasts - The chances of Egypt having a democratic regime soon are slightly lower than those of snow in Cairo.
What lasts ? and what exactly looks enjoyable ? I think that Egypt right now goes through a tragically bad time. The chances for a development towards democracy however still are intact, even if nothing is guaranteed. To put it the other way round, no officer can expect to succeed in establishing a new military or semi-military regime, for example by a coup-d'etat. I can imagine however that the military leaders will establish for themselves a role comparable to the role of the military high-up officers in Algeria, Switzerland and Israel. In defence of General Tantawi it has to be noted that he in the months in defacto power has never tried to grasp full political power.

In short, many developments are possible, but a move into democracy may well become reality within a year and this WOULD BE "soon" !

Some of the posts of you and Mowich remind me of how King Hussein in one of his books described the Egyptians "they are most extremely patient and ready to accept realities for years on end, but once they have enough of something they become astonishingly determined" . King Hussein got his impressions of Egypt when he attended a sort of High School (Victoria College) in Alexandria before moving to England (Harrow & Sandhurst).
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While I hope for the best for Egypt, I find the situation rather ugly and sad at the moment, with General Tantawi still holding full power, while making unclear promises.

Not to speak about the negative impact onto the tourism industry.
It took a few months and many dead to convince you that:
1. Egypt is run by a military Junta
2. Egypt's economically prospects are dim.

Eventually you'll see that Egypt won't be a democracy in the next decade.
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Tahrir is just beautiful and the revolution is revived totally at it's best....it's power to the people now
Some Egyptians beg to differ.

The coming elections are so complex - Why couldn't they simply have a 1 person 1 vote ?
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