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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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Hilarious.

In all court cases, there is usualy a victim and the accused, not just sexual matters.


Thanks for your useful contribution. No one knew that in all court cases, there is usualy a victim and the accused.

Bravo!
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Old 19.05.2011, 17:12
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Thanks for your useful contribution. No one knew that in all court cases, there is usualy a victim and the accused.

Bravo!
Well, answer me this then, your quote was
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We are supposed to have equal rights (women/men) but as soon as "sexual matters" are involved the men are immediately strong suspect and women are immediately poor victims.
Why did you single out sexual matters?
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Well, answer me this then, your quote was


Why did you single out sexual matters?

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Old 19.05.2011, 17:25
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Your argument improves each time.

Sorry, I don't live in bizzaro world where all court cases that don't involve sexual matters leave all parties competely untarnished behind before the trial.
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Old 19.05.2011, 17:26
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Well, answer me this then, your quote was


Why did you single out sexual matters?
Why did you single out that sentence in the approximatively 8 arguments I said?


"C'est l'arbre qui cache la forÍt"* as they say in french.

* I don't translate I leave that to the others. Don't be impatient i'm sure someone will successfully translate that into "he attacked her with a tree" or "he tried to introduce a branch in..." enough.
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Old 19.05.2011, 17:32
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Why did you single out that sentence in the approximatively 8 arguments I said?


"C'est l'arbre qui cache la forÍt"* as they say in french.

* I don't translate I leave that to the others. Don't be impatient i'm sure someone will successfully translate that into "he attacked her with a tree" or "he tried to introduce a branch in..." enough.
I couldn't be bothered with the others, they honestly took too long. That was a quick point, where you tried to make something completely usual, the way we see victims and defendants, seem unusual for your purposes.

It's not that you don't make valid points, it's that you gleefully don't play along to your own ideals.
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Old 19.05.2011, 21:29
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

DSK & lawyer relationship.

I was wondering if DSK needs to tell his lawyer the truth about what happened so that he can prepare the best defense?
It reminds me some nice movies like Reversal of Fortune (von Bulow) or Presumed Innocent.
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Old 19.05.2011, 22:30
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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DSK & lawyer relationship.

I was wondering if DSK needs to tell his lawyer the truth about what happened so that he can prepare the best defense?
It reminds me some nice movies like Reversal of Fortune (von Bulow) or Presumed Innocent.
Lawyers are bound ethically to provide the best possible legal defense for their clients. Communication between defendant and lawyer would be privileged. His lawyers will try to disprove "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is not the same as proving totally innocent.
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Old 19.05.2011, 23:01
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

He's granted on a bail package . 1 million dollars cash , 5 millions bond , passport taken and home detention.
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Old 19.05.2011, 23:15
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Attempted rape is NOT OK. (obviously)

Attempted to shag is ok.

We don't know the details about those "attempts".
We just know that apparently the girls said litterally "Il a essayť de me sauter" which is totally different than "he attacked me" or "he tried to rape me".
So as a french speaker I am telling you that's not "attempted rape".

Also we are not talking about the criminal complaint with DSK here but we discussed on the comments from "lot of girls friend of that TV show host".
When would an attempt to shag not go all the way? When the other person says no. Any "attempt to shag" where one person doesn't consent is at least sexual assualt if not attempted rape. In what circumstance would he be justified in "attempting to shag" the victim. Are you saying his defense will be that it was consensual?
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Old 19.05.2011, 23:27
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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Technically speaking, is it rape if there is no penetration, for want of a better word? Wouldn't this be classified as a serious sexual assault? I'm not sure "attempted rape" is technically an offence, you'd have to prove the person was actually attempting forced intercourse, which I imagine would be pretty damn impossible to do.
taking law lessons from Clarke? Of course there is such a thing as attempted rape.
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Technically NO it's not attempted rape.


That's also why those women said "il a essayť de me sauter" instead of "il a essayť de me violer".

But maybe you don't understand the subtilities of the french language or the meaning of "sauter" in that expression...?
Jump on me or violate me, without consent, it is sexual assault at the least.
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Old 19.05.2011, 23:35
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DSK resigned from his head post of the FMI and still denies the allegations vs him.

According to a famous French newspaper le figaro, there was an another employer in the room who was cleaning the table. when the cleaning lady came. She pushed the door which was opened ,asked him if she could entered and he said yes as he believed the room to be empty. then he left...

So her explanation of her entering the room and DSK suddenly jumping onto him falls through? that also means that she would not have used her pass card to enter , the only sure way to know the time it was when she entered.
Who is he , the other cleaing person. He believed the room to be empty, but perhaps he didn't know DSK was still in the room, in the bathroom maybe. All this is hearsay , until the evidence is presented in court. Has DSK offered any reward to find the real culprit? Or does he believe the alleged victim made the whole thing up.
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

DSK indicted by grand jury, So the prosecuters have at least presented enough evidence to the grand jury to warrant a trial.
Now they just have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Kudos to the alleged victim for being brave enough to testify before the grand jury.
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Jump on me or violate me, without consent, it is sexual assault at the least.
Umm, no...

'Sauter' is always consensual. And it does not mean 'jump on me' (except to those who use google to understand French).

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Old 20.05.2011, 06:39
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

I'm really appalled by this pro DSK and con victim ideas. He knew what he was doing, so now he has to face the consequences !
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I'm really appalled by this pro DSK and con victim ideas. He knew what he was doing, so now he has to face the consequences !
So you know exactly what happened in that room? For the moment he has not been proven guilty. The perp walk is just there to give the impression he's guilty. Now DSK and the woman will bring their arguments and the court will judge.
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Part 1:When would an attempt to shag not go all the way? When the other person says no. Any "attempt to shag" where one person doesn't consent is at least sexual assualt if not attempted rape.

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In what circumstance would he be justified in "attempting to shag" the victim. Are you saying his defense will be that it was consensual?
oulala!

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Does anyone needs to reply to your question, seriously?

So when you "attempted to shag" some girls, did you had consent even before starting the attempt? Please share with us your proceedings, are you:

a. Sending them a recorded mail 2 weeks before saying your intentions and arranging a meeting?
b.Saying your intentions during the first drink: "hello I'm Mr Rss, will it be ok if I shag you after the drinks? I would not want to risk attempting to shag you!
c.Avoiding any physical contact with your date just in case it's seen as "attempted to shag"?
d.Letting the girl do everything just in case you attempt to shag her?



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You're off topic.
Have you realised "Sauter" was the expression used by 15 "friends" of the "popular TV host"?
Forget the defense, the current trial because that was not related to "SAUTER".

If you would read the other posts instead of a aligning yours...
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Old 20.05.2011, 09:35
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I'm really appalled by this pro DSK and con victim ideas. He knew what he was doing, so now he has to face the consequences !
Here we go again...

Can I join you to phuck other's human rights?

Hey let's start another topic to ruin someone's reputation!

I heard you were racist! I think you should face the consequences now!
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

For some reason, I can't read DSK without thinking about Motorfahrzeugkontrol.

Should I seek help?
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