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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

I suppose his replacement will be more likely to keep her peccadillos under control.

Christine Lagarde named IMF chief
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

Looks like the prosecutors made a major blunder: Strauss-Kahn Case Seen as in Jeopardy:
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The sexual assault case against Dominique Strauss-Kahn is on the verge of collapse as investigators have uncovered major holes in the credibility of the housekeeper who charged that he attacked her in his Manhattan hotel suite in May, according to two well-placed law enforcement officials.

Although forensic tests found unambiguous evidence of a sexual encounter between Mr. Strauss-Kahn, a French politician, and the woman, prosecutors do not believe much of what the accuser has told them about the circumstances or about herself.

Since her initial allegation on May 14, the accuser has repeatedly lied, one of the law enforcement officials said.
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Looks like the prosecutors made a major blunder: Strauss-Kahn Case Seen as in Jeopardy:
He can still run as presidential candidate for socialist party.
This story of falsely accused innocent could help him in the French media.....
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Old 01.07.2011, 09:22
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

Well, well, another false rape accusation.
Looks like the sex was consensual (possibly paid?) and afterwards when she realised who he was, she cried rape to gain some further financial advantage.
Echoes of Julian Assange's case here.

The system is so heavily biased against the male defendent in rape accusation cases. Why are the accusers automatically called "victims" before any investigation has even been started?!
At least D.S-K. can afford good lawyers to do a full investigation. Most poor chumps who are accused of such things are just assumed to be guilty.

Did you know that last year the UK police got so annoyed about their time being wasted with false sexual assault cases that they started following it up and 60 women were convicted of wasting police time?
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

The sex assault case against former IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn appears to be in trouble amid reported concerns over the alleged victim's credibility.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13986970
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Old 01.07.2011, 18:13
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He can still run as presidential candidate for socialist party.
This story of falsely accused innocent could help him in the French media.....
Well, one thing is for sure: Every single French who had no idea what the IMF is does know him now... and all the vague accusations that were floating around in Paris before.

The man lost his (very well paid) job, got pushed through the dirt on every last French paper on the front page for weeks... I think he cannot successfully come back so quickly - the majority of left wing voters are women and they might not entirely like his track record and attitude towards them - no matter if he raped or not.

We used to be able to separate private matters from political careers in Europe and not have those US style "celebrity reporting"... but times are changing.

Again: The only candidate with real chances against the president, accusations three weeks or so before the time one would announce to run for presidency... I am really not into conspiration theories, but Sarkozy is one of the guys that I would have on my list to be capable of planning this as a smear campaign.
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Old 01.07.2011, 18:35
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Well, one thing is for sure: Every single French who had no idea what the IMF is does know him now... and all the vague accusations that were floating around in Paris before.

The man lost his (very well paid) job, got pushed through the dirt on every last French paper on the front page for weeks... I think he cannot successfully come back so quickly - the majority of left wing voters are women and they might not entirely like his track record and attitude towards them - no matter if he raped or not.

We used to be able to separate private matters from political careers in Europe and not have those US style "celebrity reporting"... but times are changing.

Again: The only candidate with real chances against the president, accusations three weeks or so before the time one would announce to run for presidency... I am really not into conspiration theories, but Sarkozy is one of the guys that I would have on my list to be capable of planning this as a smear campaign.
In France people are really fed-up with Sarkozy so they will seek for an alternative....and for the moment all the other declared candidates look rather weak.
I can imagine french people voting for DSK just to say f@ck you to US justice system cause a lot of french were chocked by the perp walk.
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Old 01.07.2011, 18:49
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

He will walk. he is no longer n house arrest.

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Senior prosecutors met with lawyers for Mr. Strauss-Kahn on Thursday and provided details about their findings, and the parties are discussing whether to dismiss the felony charges. Among the discoveries, one of the officials said, are issues involving the asylum application of the 32-year-old housekeeper, who is Guinean, and possible links to people involved in criminal activities, including drug dealing and money laundering.
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Well, well, another false rape accusation.
Looks like the sex was consensual (possibly paid?) and afterwards when she realised who he was, she cried rape to gain some further financial advantage.
Is this what happened?
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

Thanks for clearing that up then...

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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

Why did anyone expect the opposite, all this was just another political nasty game to kick someone's *** for obvious reasons and he played the same game by probably bribing someone to get cleared out, at the end of the day, we get 1 extra Swiss bank account full of money and one poor maid gets rich
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Old 01.07.2011, 21:06
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he played the same game by probably bribing someone to get cleared out
Possibly? Probably? Can someone give us a presumably to complete a full set?.
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Old 01.07.2011, 22:04
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Possibly? Probably? Can someone give us a presumably to complete a full set?.
Presumably.

While I did not see any of that in the news. What the news say is that the lady lied in her asylum case claiming to have been raped which she wasn't and that the police has by now established ties to organized crime: drugs and money laundry. She has proven lied several times to the police over the last months. No details, but that DSK is now not under house arrest anymore speaks for itself - it was not DSKs lawyers, but the state attorney who released him from it on their own today.
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Presumably.

While I did not see any of that in the news. What the news say is that the lady lied in her asylum case claiming to have been raped which she wasn't and that the police has by now established ties to organized crime: drugs and money laundry. She has proven lied several times to the police over the last months. No details, but that DSK is now not under house arrest anymore speaks for itself - it was not DSKs lawyers, but the state attorney who released him from it on their own today.
One of the US newspapers claimed the maid discussed the case over the phone with someone who was in prison. Such conversations are recorded & the prosecution have a copy which (it was reported) did not do her case a lot of good.
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

In the meantime do some French socialist leaders not rule out that he could still become the candidate... I'd love to see him becoming the new president (not only for this story, I think he is the right person, the EU needs leaders who know a bit more about finance right now...) and then watch the US walk on eggshells for the way the US justice and media prematurely judged him.
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Possibly? Probably? Can someone give us a presumably to complete a full set?.
Potentially? Every man is a potential rapist, but the so is every woman. I suppose that there was a rush t judgment in the beginning, perhpas because similar allegations had been made against him before. Now there is a rush to judgment in the reverse, the case really needs to be heard in court.

If the maid is lying this infuriates me, women who lie about rape have no idea how they endanger the credibility of women who have been raped
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If the maid is lying this infuriates me, women who lie about rape have no idea how they endanger the credibility of women who have been raped
I second this. Luk_interior said the system is biased against the male defendant in rape accusation cases. He obviously hasn't sat through a rape trial and seen how the prosecution treats those who woman claiming to be victims.

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Now there is a rush to judgment in the reverse, the case really needs to be heard in court.
Yup. It seems she has a history and has done things which undermine her credibility as a witness. If the prosecution feel that they can't make a credible case then DSK deserves to be released. And yet something happened in that hotel room. And we're told there's medical evidence of a sexual act and injury to the woman. Unless that evidence is presented and examined, nobody can ever know whether there was an assault or not. And that will haunt DSK's public life.
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I second this. Luk_interior said the system is biased against the male defendant in rape accusation cases. He obviously hasn't sat through a rape trial and seen how the prosecution treats those who woman claiming to be victims.
That's also a very sad state of affairs.

Rape is a horrible crime and rightly treated very seriously by the authorities with a lot of resources devoted to bringing offenders to justice and helping the victims.
It's appalling if someone makes false accusations out of spite, or to revenge a cheating boyfriend, or because they themselves were cheating or simply out of desire to make financial gain.
It completely undermines genuine victims and makes it harder to convict genuine offenders. And is a factor in alleged victims suffering further trauma in courtrooms.
False accusers should also be treated in serious manner.
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I'd love to see him becoming the new president (not only for this story, I think he is the right person, the EU needs leaders who know a bit more about finance right now...
And it needs leaders who demonstrate more common sense and self restraint than to put themselves in the position where they can be compromised. I know nothing about what really went on. Neither does anybody else on this forum. But even if the whole thing was consensual, his behavior at a minimum showed a considerable lack of judgement. If he couldn't see those risks, it must raise questions about his fitness to lead a country.
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If he couldn't see those risks, it must raise questions about his fitness to lead a country.
Well, he probably went to a hooker. I believe that's illegal in New York, but totally ok in Europe. Stupid? Yes, absolutely.

But we had worse sex scandals, say Berlusconi, French culture minister frederic Mitterand (who openly described how he paid Thai boys for sex...), Francois Mitterand - ex prime minister - with affairs that led to hiding his ex-matrial daughter for decades... and call me old fashioned, but I don't think the public should care about the private life of a politician. How many times he was married or if he had an affair is not a factor when looking at his professional record. Peole would not care when employing somebody for a private company either - its the skillset and the experiences that count.

I think it is an entirely wrong development when I see that in the last presidential US campaign the best paid advisor for Palin wasn't the one on foreign affairs or finance but her make-up artist. Politicians behave more and more like pop stars. It's just a matter of time till they have to start singing in front of Simon Cowell to get elected...
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