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If I am not mistaken, in theory in the US you have to prove you are not guilty. While in France you are innocent until proven guilty*.

*of course that's in theory, the guy is already "guilty" for 60% of retar...erm the french population.
In either case, he is not convicted or proven to be guilty yet.

Putting him in such a facility can endanger his wellbeing.

Also if 60% French population already thinks he is guilty then he is no threat to Sarkozy Bonaparte, so there is less motive for a frameup.
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*of course that's in theory, the guy is already "guilty" for 60% of retar...erm the french population.
In my indepth survey*, 100% of French people think he's innocent and she's a strumpet and she can't prove anything anyway**.




*Sample size = 2.
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What I fail to understand is, why is he sent to rough Rikers Island jail?

He could very well be a serial criminal and deserve to be there, but he has not been convicted yet. After conviction, yes.
'Cos the US are still pissed at the French... "freedom fries" and all that.

Anyway, where's the pole poll to convict him on EF?
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'Cos the US are still pissed at the French... "freedom fries" and all that.

Anyway, where's the pole poll to convict him on EF?
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You're mistaken. That'd be a rather backwards system of justice - you might want to go back to unrelated and irrelevant examples of ... whatever it was you were trying to claim.
Ah ok, yes I quickly checked the Constitution of the United States, there's nothing to indicate you're guilty first-
yes, I should go back to examples you are not capable of understanding.

Next time i'll post only pictures maybe you will be in position to understand something simpler.
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In my indepth survey*, 100% of French people think he's innocent and she's a strumpet and she can't prove anything anyway**.




*Sample size = 2.
**This survey may not be fully representative.

That's strange my survey*was saying:
Let the inspectors find evidence to clear/convict him/her and let the judges (higher authority of the USA legal system) make a decision.


*Sample size = 1
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

He is accused of a very serious crime, and he is being treated just like anybody would be treated in this circumstance. There *should* be no special treatment for you just because you are a VIP - it's an egalitarian tradition in the US. It's really unlucky for him that he can't be released on bail, and the only reason, in my mind, is the lack of an extradition treaty with France, which makes him a flight risk.

The police do not just arrest anybody willy-nilly, they need to have enough evidence to do so (probable cause). They found probable cause in this case.
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

What most french people find shocking is the mise-en-scène by the police for the journalists for someone who's not proven guilty so far. The image is perceived as if he was already guilty and condemned. It was blood-food for the sharks. The titles of anglo-saxon media is very explicit and does not respect the presumption of innocence.
I can also clearly see that the US and Canada do not like to have such a IMF director who's helping so much Europe/Greece. Not that it's linked to the event.
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He is accused of a very serious crime, and he is being treated just like anybody would be treated in this circumstance. There *should* be no special treatment for you just because you are a VIP - it's an egalitarian tradition in the US. It's really unlucky for him that he can't be released on bail, and the only reason, in my mind, is the lack of an extradition treaty with France, which makes him a flight risk.

The police do not just arrest anybody willy-nilly, they need to have enough evidence to do so (probable cause). They found probable cause in this case.
Its amazing how some people lack the abiity to comprehend an argument.

You yourself said accused NOT convicted, so why put him in a facility where he can get hurt in some way. Nothing to do with being a VIP or not, even common Joe on the street should not be put in such a prison just because someone accused him of some crime. Evidence can even be planted so it should only be decided after a thorough investigation.

Lets say in a few weeks time the investigation concludes hes not guilty and is free to go but by that time he gets seriously harmed in that rough prison. What then?
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Old 17.05.2011, 18:09
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

Wait, you mean as opposed to European men in suits that are WAY too tight, trousers too narrow and pointy-toed shoes that belong on the court jester? Yeah... European fashion rules!


Ps- to keep on topic, quite amazing that he is considered a flight risk. His job is in DC. If he fled to France, he would not be extradited, but his professional life would be over and his personal reputation would be destroyed. I don't think he would flee even if guilty. His chances are better to try for an acquittal even if he is guilty.

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[QUOTE=Treverus;1199445]That's not too big, but an "American cut suit"... I learned it on EF: Suggestions for Men's Suit shopping?

Men in terribly wrong sized suits seems to be an American phenomenon and since this picture is taken in NYC...[/QUOTE]
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Old 17.05.2011, 18:14
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Its amazing how some people lack the abiity to comprehend an argument.

You yourself said accused NOT convicted, so why put him in a facility where he can get hurt in some way. Nothing to do with being a VIP or not, even common Joe on the street should not be put in such a prison just because someone accused him of some crime. Evidence can even be planted so it should only be decided after a thorough investigation.

Lets say in a few weeks time the investigation concludes hes not guilty and is free to go but by that time he gets seriously harmed in that rough prison. What then?
It is standard procedure to hold accused persons who have been denied bail in a prison. That's why it's just unlucky for him that he was denied bail due to him being a flight risk.

Riker's Island is a huge complex with several prisons. I would think they aren't throwing him to the wolves. If they are, he can sue the NY criminal justice system. Prisons are not nice places, but you still have rights as a prisoner.
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That's not too big, but an "American cut suit"... I learned it on EF: Suggestions for Men's Suit shopping?

Men in terribly wrong sized suits seems to be an American phenomenon and since this picture is taken in NYC...
Maybe the coppers buy large jackets for when they have to wear their bullet-proof vests.
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That's strange my survey*was saying:
Let the inspectors find evidence to clear/convict him/her and let the judges (higher authority of the USA legal system) make a decision.


*Sample size = 1
Actually, he'll likely have a jury trial so 12 real 'mericans will decide his fate. Of course, his lawyers might decide he'd be better off with a bench trial, but I doubt it. It's easier to convince/persuade/fool 1 lay person out of 12 rather than 1 judge.
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It is standard procedure to hold accused persons who have been denied bail in a prison. That's why it's just unlucky for him that he was denied bail due to him being a flight risk.

Riker's Island is a huge complex with several prisons. I would think they aren't throwing him to the wolves. If they are, he can sue the NY criminal justice system. Prisons are not nice places, but you still have rights as a prisoner.
Thank you for clarification and apologise for the jibe. I did not realise there there were several different sections in Rikers jail.

I blame the media for sensationalising it with headlines like Frightening World of Rikers!
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Its amazing how some people lack the abiity to comprehend an argument.

You yourself said accused NOT convicted, so why put him in a facility where he can get hurt in some way. Nothing to do with being a VIP or not, even common Joe on the street should not be put in such a prison just because someone accused him of some crime. Evidence can even be planted so it should only be decided after a thorough investigation.

Lets say in a few weeks time the investigation concludes hes not guilty and is free to go but by that time he gets seriously harmed in that rough prison. What then?
Simply not true in the US system. If you are accused of a crime and a grand jury or a judge determines there is probable cause to bring charges, you have the right to request bail. In many (most?) cases, it will be granted. However, if the defendant is deemed to be a flight risk, they will not have bail granted. DSK might be in a jail with a tough reputation, but he won't be in the general population.

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Because of a perceived risk of attacks on famous people, Strauss-Kahn will only leave his cell accompanied by a prison-guard, the officials say. Source
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What most french people find shocking is the mise-en-scène by the police for the journalists for someone who's not proven guilty so far. The image is perceived as if he was already guilty and condemned. It was blood-food for the sharks. The titles of anglo-saxon media is very explicit and does not respect the presumption of innocence.
I can also clearly see that the US and Canada do not like to have such a IMF director who's helping so much Europe/Greece. Not that it's linked to the event.
This is true, I'm not a big fan of the "perp walk". It convicts you in the court of public opinion before you've gone to trial, and destroys your reputation even if you are innocent.

Honestly, in the US and Canada people probably don't really give a crap that he helps Europe/Greece - most had no idea who he was until now! (and many probably still don't know) What they see is an elite European (French! even) abusing his power to sate his base desires. There's enough evidence in his past behavior to make it plausible. It plays out well in the media, as unlucky as that is for him.

If this was a setup, it was a good one. I hope he gets a fair shake. I really hope there is more evidence than "he said/she said".
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

One thing about this case is certain...there will be an episode of Law & Order: SVU next season dealing with a foreign person leading a large international organization accused of a similar crime. However, said episode will not have been inspired by any actual case, person or events.
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

Mad Magazine ! just reported that Madoff and Strauss spending some time together
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

Do you think there will be a trial? My guess he takes a deal, reduced crime with a minimal sentence (unless the case is pretty weak. System would grind to a halt if everyone had a trial.

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Its amazing how some people lack the abiity to comprehend an argument.

You yourself said accused NOT convicted, so why put him in a facility where he can get hurt in some way. Nothing to do with being a VIP or not, even common Joe on the street should not be put in such a prison just because someone accused him of some crime. Evidence can even be planted so it should only be decided after a thorough investigation.

Lets say in a few weeks time the investigation concludes hes not guilty and is free to go but by that time he gets seriously harmed in that rough prison. What then?
riker's is not just a jail but also used as a holding facility for crimes commited in nyc, he's probably better off in there than in a precinct holding which is short term and full of street thugs- and i'm sure he's being well taken care of there in the meantime- it's not like those jails in thailand
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