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Old 17.05.2011, 22:36
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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Ah ok, yes I quickly checked the Constitution of the United States, there's nothing to indicate you're guilty first-
yes, I should go back to examples you are not capable of understanding.

Next time i'll post only pictures maybe you will be in position to understand something simpler.
The concept of presumption of innonence is not codified in the US Constitution. There an implicit presumption of innocence of this basic right from English jurisprudence which is considered common law. The 5th amendment and the 6th amendment reflect this.
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Old 18.05.2011, 12:33
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

Adding more details to fuel our crappy unofficial investigation.
Of course we only rely on "unofficial information" quite unreliable.
Of course we are not inspectors.

The following is just intended not to convince anyone or to lead to decide if the guy is guilty or not, but only intended to make us consider some information we received. For example that many people based their poor judgment on the managers who said "she has been there 3 years and has made no problems.

http://translate.google.com/translat...e-de-crime.php

Like I said based from my own experience, it's very unlikely that they "know each others enough to comment on that cleaning lady":
There's approx 100 cleaning ladys and they hardly knows each others, just doing their hard work and coming home.

Also other troubling fact is that because he was VIP they put his picture in the staff common room to warn the staff, as usual.



So for the sake of a fair comment, those facts make it less bad for him than all what was said before.


We still are in a developed country, giving lessons to others about Saoudia, etc...
And yet we spread crap about a man, our media destroy his reputation based on crap, our citizen have no respect for our basic rights (right to be innocent until proven guilty by our institutions, etc...).

Well Nice country, nice behaviors.
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

I somehow get a feeling that the focus is DSK to resign from his position. Even his peers at IMF or elsewhere do not seem to support him in anyway. Even a neutral comment like "lets wait for the investigation to conclude, before pressuring him to resign"

P.S. Why most of the people who make very objective and detailed posts have Red blobbies?!
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Old 18.05.2011, 12:45
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And yet we spread crap about a man, our media destroy his reputation based on crap, our citizen have no respect for our basic rights (right to be innocent until proven guilty by our institutions, etc...).

The maid is also innocent until proven guilty. But you're quite happy to post here and pick her side of the story apart.
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Old 18.05.2011, 13:07
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The maid is also innocent until proven guilty. But you're quite happy to post here and pick her side of the story apart.
True.
And not true.

I was "fueling" the "losing side"- Going against the flow of attacks towards the man. Going against the majority: widespread stereotypes of the abusive man and the innocent victim.

To "counter balance" and show that the women are not always innocent victims.

I was actually fighting for the "equal rights".

But yes I had nothing to say about "him being guilty" because I could only see that everywhere. So I suggested other elements going against the version "innocent victim".
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Old 18.05.2011, 13:15
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True.
And not true.

I was "fueling" the "losing side"- Going against the flow of attacks towards the man. Going against the majority: widespread stereotypes of the abusive man and the innocent victim.

To "counter balance" and show that the women are not always innocent victims.

I was actually fighting for the "equal rights".

But yes I had nothing to say about "him being guilty" because I could only see that everywhere. So I suggested other elements going against the version "innocent victim".
You'd do a better job by not commenting on either side. You can't go lambasting bad reporting if you indulge in it too.
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You'd do a better job by not commenting on either side. You can't go lambasting bad reporting if you indulge in it too.
You'd do a better job by not commenting at all...

Especially if you are not capable of standing for someone's basic rights of expression.
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Old 18.05.2011, 13:22
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I was "fueling" the "losing side"- Going against the flow of attacks towards the man. Going against the majority: widespread stereotypes of the abusive man and the innocent victim.
Not true.

He's not an 'under-dog' but a highly privilieged person with a carefully managed public persona and public voice, unlike the victim in question.

Also, the 'flow of attacks' is rather running the other way -- http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...n-french-media -- in France particularly, but it seems also in the wider European context.

If this were Naomi Campbell, accused of beating a male assistant would you so vocally be calling the victim a liar, even worse, a political manipulator?

The earlier clip from the chat show was shocking and revolting -- do we have no sympathy for the victims of crime? Must women's testimony always be treated with disdain, disgust and suspicion?
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Old 18.05.2011, 13:29
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Especially if you are not capable of standing for someone's basic rights of expression.

Comment all you like, but there's a bit of a disjoint between you trying to say peoples names shouldn't be dragged through mud, and you dragging names through the mud. No? Either they both can have their names dragged through the mud, or not at all.
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Old 18.05.2011, 13:30
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Not true.

He's not an 'under-dog' but a highly privilieged person with a carefully managed public persona and public voice, unlike the victim in question.

Also, the 'flow of attacks' is rather running the other way -- http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...n-french-media -- in France particularly, but it seems also in the wider European context.

If this were Naomi Campbell, accused of beating a male assistant would you so vocally be calling the victim a liar, even worse, a political manipulator?

The earlier clip from the chat show was shocking and revolting -- do we have no sympathy for the victims of crime? Must women's testimony always be treated with disdain, disgust and suspicion?
Well that's your version- I saw much more attacks against him.
Which it's understandable in many obscure ways: medias to attract the crowd, obtain money, etc... Opponents to remove him from the "election run", etc...
I won't debate of fictional example of Naomi Campbell. I already provided examples where women are criminals (see above). Yes not all of them are but they are also as capable as men to do crime or perjury.

We do have sympathy for victims of crimes whatever gender they have.
Women testimonies are not treated with disdain, suspicion, etc...

And yes I gave only 1 example showing how it can look "suspicious" to influence the "other side" and show it can also be "women lying" in the context of the women only see as victims. (example was that woman who's been attending a TV popular show to spread her story).


I'm 100% supporting fair trial, police jobs to investigate and collect scientific evidence to clear any of both sides.

I'm 0% supporting crap statements on how she was raped but did not want to go to police but goes to the TV show instead (and collect money and popularity).
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Old 18.05.2011, 14:17
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You'd do a better job by not commenting at all...

Especially if you are not capable of standing for someone's basic rights of expression.
The same rights you seek to limit in the media and others on the forum?
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Old 18.05.2011, 14:27
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

And people say the CIA and DGSE never cooperate...
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Old 18.05.2011, 14:31
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

It was a set-up...discussion over!
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The same rights you seek to limit in the media and others on the forum?
The right to freedom of expression is related to the right to a fair trial.

So instead of posting accusations you should moderate your comments.

I would accept "The same rights you seem...".

Also, freedom of expression may not limit the right to privacy, as well as the honor and reputation of others.

Which was definitely not the case against that man.
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress....ale-privilege/

Just some food for thought....
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

But worse news is that it has been suggested that Gordon Brown has been suggested as a replacement in the news:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/d...l-for-IMF.html

Also; there are more claims of rape in the news against him:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13435283

Then there are rumours that some of the French claims are a set up of Sarkozi party as Strauss-Kahn was going to be the opposition leader and had a very good chance of winning the next French election.

One never knows what to believe and it is very difficult to trust anything you read in the press and internet nowadays.
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Ohhhh @#$%!!!

Does someone sell popcorns around here? Theres gonna be fireworks!!!
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But worse news is that it has been suggested that Gordon Brown has been suggested as a replacement in the news:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/d...l-for-IMF.html

Also; there are more claims of rape in the news against him:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13435283

Then there are rumours that some of the French claims are a set up of Sarkozi party as Strauss-Kahn was going to be the opposition leader and had a very good chance of winning the next French election.

One never knows what to believe and it is very difficult to trust anything you read in the press and internet nowadays.
For Sarkozy, its not just about next elections but also his certain business involvements with certain companies across the Atlantic, and also the dynasty he is trying to setup in France and Worldwide. (So I heard, BTW)
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Old 18.05.2011, 14:49
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My thought just threw up.
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One never knows what to believe and it is very difficult to trust anything you read in the press and internet nowadays.
You should really believe me...it was a set up
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