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Old 18.05.2011, 22:12
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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Yes technically, it's attempted rape.
Perhaps, but only 'attempted', and that is very ambiguous.

Of course, IF he is guilty, he should just play the 'Diplomatic Immunity' card and be done with it. That he hasn't makes his guilt very questionable.

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Old 18.05.2011, 22:17
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Perhaps, but only 'attempted', and that is very ambiguous.

Of course, IF he is guilty, he should just play the 'Diplomatic Immunity' card and be done with it. That he hasn't makes his guilt very questionable.

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as he was on a private visit to NY he does not benefit from the privilege of diplomatic immunity
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Old 18.05.2011, 22:19
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as he was on a private visit to NY he does not benefit from the privilege of diplomatic immunity
Actually, as head of IMF, he does. Anytime, anywhere.

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Actually, as head of IMF, he does. Anytime, anywhere.

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This is discussed heavily in French talk shows (there are dozens of them on French channels every day) and nobody seems to agree... If somebody knows a NY attorney, please phone him up. Thanks
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Old 18.05.2011, 22:24
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Actually, as head of IMF, he does. Anytime, anywhere.

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Section 8 of IMF Articles of Agreement:

All Governors, Executive Directors, Alternates, members of committees, representatives appointed under Article XII, Section 3(j), advisors of any of the foregoing persons, officers, and employees of the Fund:
shall be immune from legal process with respect to acts performed by them in their official capacity except when the Fund waives this immunity; "


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Old 18.05.2011, 22:29
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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Only french will smile at the famous joke "Il rêvait de César, il mourut Pompée" .


That sounds pretty gay to me...Don't you agree??
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

Ya Know... maybe he called for a call girl and it was a case of mistaken identity. He could have thought it was role playing,,, but it is still sexual assault none the less.

The victim here is the woman who was assaulted.
Her world is completely shattered, and she did not know power or wealth... she was just told to go in and clean a room.
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Old 18.05.2011, 22:30
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

This gives another perspective on the question of immunity.

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Old 18.05.2011, 22:35
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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This gives another perspective on the question of immunity.

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Tom, Kahn was not a diplomat or had no immunity or so I heard...

I honestly think the guy is innocent.
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Old 18.05.2011, 22:38
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Section 8 of IMF Articles of Agreement:

All Governors, Executive Directors, Alternates, members of committees, representatives appointed under Article XII, Section 3(j), advisors of any of the foregoing persons, officers, and employees of the Fund:
shall be immune from legal process with respect to acts performed by them in their official capacity except when the Fund waives this immunity; "

In red the core of the problem: it was a private visit, he paid for the hotel himself, no mission for work in NY at that time.... private. Doesn't that exclude the condition of being "in their official capacity"?
Just asking, I don't know...
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Old 18.05.2011, 22:40
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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Tom, Kahn was not a diplomat or had no immunity or so I heard...
However "As the head of one of the UN's specialised agencies, the IMF managing director is just as immune from prosecution as any diplomat, says Jovan Kurbalija, director of DiploFoundation, a Geneva-based organisation researching the role of diplomacy in the modern age. Furthermore, unlike a diplomat - who is immune from prosecution only in the country where he or she is based - the head of a UN agency is immune from prosecution in all countries."


So, it's up for debate.


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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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This gives another perspective on the question of immunity.

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we can only agree that we disagree
Here is a comment on BBC article.
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Old 18.05.2011, 23:19
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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Actually, as head of IMF, he does. Anytime, anywhere.

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No, this is not as clear as you make it.
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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Perhaps, but only 'attempted', and that is very ambiguous.

Of course, IF he is guilty, he should just play the 'Diplomatic Immunity' card and be done with it. That he hasn't makes his guilt very questionable.

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So attempted is ok? The criminal complaint doesn't sound ambiguous to me.
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Actually, as head of IMF, he does. Anytime, anywhere.

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The priviledge belongs to the country or organization, not the individual they can revoke it.
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Old 18.05.2011, 23:59
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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If he only 'tried', then no.

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You're right. It's only attempted rape.
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

According to one of today's newspapers the maid lives in an apartment that is only rented to people with HIV or aids. So maybe Strauss-Kahn has already defined his own punishment since nobody mentioned condoms?
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the head of a UN agency is immune from prosecution in all countries."

Would that make him Iron man 3??
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

DSK resigned from his head post of the FMI and still denies the allegations vs him.

According to a famous French newspaper le figaro, there was an another employer in the room who was cleaning the table. when the cleaning lady came. She pushed the door which was opened ,asked him if she could entered and he said yes as he believed the room to be empty. then he left...

So her explanation of her entering the room and DSK suddenly jumping onto him falls through. that also means that she would not have used her pass card to enter , the only sure way to know the time it was when she entered.
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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Yes technically, it's attempted rape.
Technically NO it's not attempted rape.


That's also why those women said "il a essayé de me sauter" instead of "il a essayé de me violer".

But maybe you don't understand the subtilities of the french language or the meaning of "sauter" in that expression...?
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