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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

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So attempted is ok? The criminal complaint doesn't sound ambiguous to me.
Attempted rape is NOT OK. (obviously)

Attempted to shag is ok.

We don't know the details about those "attempts".
We just know that apparently the girls said litterally "Il a essayé de me sauter" which is totally different than "he attacked me" or "he tried to rape me".
So as a french speaker I am telling you that's not "attempted rape".

Also we are not talking about the criminal complaint with DSK here but we discussed on the comments from "lot of girls friend of that TV show host".
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Old 19.05.2011, 11:06
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DSK resigned from his head post of the FMI and still denies the allegations vs him.

According to a famous French newspaper le figaro, there was an another employer in the room who was cleaning the table. when the cleaning lady came. She pushed the door which was opened ,asked him if she could entered and he said yes as he believed the room to be empty. then he left...

So her explanation of her entering the room and DSK suddenly jumping onto him falls through. that also means that she would not have used her pass card to enter , the only sure way to know the time it was when she entered.
About " the only sure way to know the time it was when she entered" I assume one could ask the other employee.
Also the hotel has security cameras & the tapes are being checked.

About "her explanation of her entering the room and DSK suddenly jumping onto him falls through"
This is $3K suite, I assume it has several rooms? In fact checking the hotel in the internet the suites do have several rooms, in fact, a foyer, a conference room, a living room and a bedroom

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Old 19.05.2011, 11:23
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

According to that bastion of reliable, responsible reporting, 20 Minuten, the maid is HIV positive.
My question is, was this before or after the alleged assault?
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

well of course it had to happen i suppose
http://www.maidcatcher.com/
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Old 19.05.2011, 12:43
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well of course it had to happen i suppose
http://www.maidcatcher.com/
Is it worse than this video for japanese or chinese TV?

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Old 19.05.2011, 13:50
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DSK resigned from his head post of the FMI and still denies the allegations vs him.

According to a famous French newspaper le figaro, there was an another employer in the room who was cleaning the table. when the cleaning lady came. She pushed the door which was opened ,asked him if she could entered and he said yes as he believed the room to be empty. then he left...

So her explanation of her entering the room and DSK suddenly jumping onto him falls through. that also means that she would not have used her pass card to enter , the only sure way to know the time it was when she entered.
According to a famous French paper earlier in the week, DSK allegedly wasn't in the room at the time of the alleged attack and was at lunch with his daughter, so I wonder if these "new facts" will end up to be true or not. Certainly, nothing "falls through" until the trial or he's cleared before the trial.
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Old 19.05.2011, 13:52
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According to a famous French paper earlier in the week, DSK allegedly wasn't in the room at the time of the alleged attack and was at lunch with his daughter, so I wonder if these "new facts" will end up to be true or not. Certainly, nothing "falls through" until the trial or he's cleared before the trial.
Didn't he also say the encounter he didn't have, because he was dining with his daughter, was consensual?
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Old 19.05.2011, 16:03
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Technically NO it's not attempted rape.

That's also why those women said "il a essayé de me sauter" instead of "il a essayé de me violer".
'Sauter' means 'to jump on someone'.

Another alleged victim, Tristane Banon, has told her story, how DSK 'jumped' on her - he throw himself on her, tried forcefully to pull off her sweater and bra and then she had to fight him off.
In my books, this is sexual assault/attempted rape.

But I see you try to twist everything to make it look in favour of this guy.

Why, btw, if I may ask this sympathy you have for him?
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Old 19.05.2011, 16:08
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

Technically speaking, is it rape if there is no penetration, for want of a better word? Wouldn't this be classified as a serious sexual assault? I'm not sure "attempted rape" is technically an offence, you'd have to prove the person was actually attempting forced intercourse, which I imagine would be pretty damn impossible to do.
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Old 19.05.2011, 16:15
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'Sauter' means 'to jump on someone'.

Another alleged victim, Tristane Banon, has told her story, how DSK 'jumped' on her - he throw himself on her, tried forcefully to pull off her sweater and bra and then she had to fight him off.
In my books, this is sexual assault/attempted rape.

But I see you try to twist everything to make it look in favour of this guy.

Why, btw, if I may ask this sympathy you have for him?
Yes he's my dad.


Let me correct what you said:

"Sauter" does not means "jump on someone". it's a slang word equivalent to "shag".

Another alleged (great: some open mind)victim, Tristane Banon, has told her story 10 years after on a TV popular show which feeds on gossips, at the time when she is writer, how DSK 'jumped' on her - he throw himself on her, tried forcefully to pull off her sweater and bra and then she had to fight him off. And yet she has not reported anything to the police; and yet her "report" is full with incoherence and suspicious details such as how could he unbutton her bra with a Turtle Neck Tshirt, or how a 100kg approx man could lay her down without leaving marks= evidence.
In my books, this is sexual assault/attempted rape. In your book it should be nothing because you have no evidence but a strange witness report
But I see you try to twist everything to make it look in favour of this guy.
Again incorrect, as I said I was more destroying arguments against the "leading side" (ie the women seen as victim) and trying to let the man been judge fairly.

Why, btw, if I may ask this sympathy you have for him?

Absolutely none. And I will even have antipathy if a judge declares him guilty of rape. Although i'll take precaution with the judgment in case of perjury and in case of the "mechanics" of the US legal system (ie a jury decide someone's culpability).
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

As long as theres OJ Simpson, theres hope for DSK. But too bad Johnnie Cochran is dead.
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Old 19.05.2011, 16:30
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

"In my book" like you said we are a modern developed society were:

- People can spread gossip and ruined the reputation of someone based on crap spread by medias.
- Media are feeding on crap, spreading crap, and everyone see that as "normal" and no one is shocked.
- We don't trust the legal system because we judge a man prior the "official judgment" done by our judges, the top of the legal system.
-Masses of idiots acting together to spread nasty allegations, all blaming one man for their own bad actions. Yes like Hitler and the nazis. But of course it's only hitler to blame everyone else are innocents.
-We shit on the human rights but yet claim they are not respected in other countries.
-We take our human right of freedom of speech and phuck it to the bones: Our freedom of speech stops where it conflicts with other values and rights, such as the right to be innocent until proven guilty, etc...
- We are supposed to have equal rights (women/men) but as soon as "sexual matters" are involved the men are immediately strong suspect and women are immediately poor victims.
-etc...

And still we dare to critic any other country.

Nice!
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As long as theres OJ Simpson, theres hope for DSK. But too bad Johnnie Cochran is dead.
The only problem DSK has in this comparison is that he is not an American football player, rap star etc. and even worse, he is a "foreigner"
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Old 19.05.2011, 16:41
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- We are supposed to have equal rights (women/men) but as soon as "sexual matters" are involved the men are immediately strong suspect and women are immediately poor victims.
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Hilarious.

In all court cases, there is usualy a victim and the accused, not just sexual matters.
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Hilarious.

In all court cases, there is usualy a victim and the accused, not just sexual matters.
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

Hahaha!!

Dont worry about him, hes either on pot or listens to heavy metal music on ear phones all day long, if not both.
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Old 19.05.2011, 16:57
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Re: D. Strauss-Kahn IMF Director accused of sexual assault

I don't see how that's an obvious fail. Perhaps you could spell it out for me.

If perhaps, if he was accused of assualting her, without sexual overtones, just because she didn't fold the sheets properly. would it be a different matter in the media?

Or he lifted something from her purse. Or slandered her.
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Hahaha!!

Dont worry about him, hes either on pot or listens to heavy metal music on ear phones all day long, if not both.
What if I did?
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What if I did?
Cheers!

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Cheers!

Brilliant arguments from you as usual.
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