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11.08.2011, 12:09
| | | | UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)
An electronic petition, " Axe rioters' benefits", submitted by Stephen Mains, is dwarfing its closest competitors on the e-petitions website. By 6am today 90,000 had signed the petition. When 100,000 can be collected the government will debate the petition in parliament.
At present the site is seriously overloaded!
Story http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14474429
Petition website http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ | 
11.08.2011, 12:49
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11.08.2011, 12:56
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What a great idea, use economic sanctions against the impoverished, starve them and force them into crime to feed themselves.
...and just how do people expect people on benefits (aka the breadline) to survive ?
This is a knee jerk, spiteful reaction. Poorly thought out and impossible to implement. People's time is best spent elsewhere.
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11.08.2011, 13:00
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So they wanna stop them from being casual rioters and turn them into forced monster criminals, isn't the government ignorance to educated this people and put them on the right track enough, didn't they learn from any mistakes.....what a wise decision to make
What about reform them, contain them, train them, educate them, give them a job, turn their energy to serve the right cause and society rather than siding them of it.
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11.08.2011, 13:38
| | | | Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments) | Quote: | |  | | | ...and just how do people expect people on benefits (aka the breadline) to survive ? | | | | | Umm, this may sound weird... but... accept lower standard of life and work?
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11.08.2011, 13:39
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Maybe it is now time for the government of the UK to sort the mess out. There is not, in my opinion, just one source of discontent, the UK society needs to address these serious problems. This petition is a wake up call.
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11.08.2011, 13:39
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| | | Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments) | Quote: | |  | | | What a great idea, use economic sanctions against the impoverished, starve them and force them into crime to feed themselves.
...and just how do people expect people on benefits (aka the breadline) to survive ?
This is a knee jerk, spiteful reaction. Poorly thought out and impossible to implement. People's time is best spent elsewhere. | | | | | Well it worked for Oliver Twist | 
11.08.2011, 13:40
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| | | Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments) | Quote: | |  | | | What a great idea, use economic sanctions against the impoverished, starve them and force them into crime to feed themselves.
...and just how do people expect people on benefits (aka the breadline) to survive ?
This is a knee jerk, spiteful reaction. Poorly thought out and impossible to implement. People's time is best spent elsewhere. | | | | | And the petition refers only to those in London.
If a person is convicted of rioting, they and their family can already face eviction, if they're a council tenant.
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11.08.2011, 13:42
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| | | Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments) | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe it is now time for the government of the UK to sort the mess out. There is not, in my opinion, just one source of discontent, the UK society needs to address these serious problems. This petition is a wake up call. | | | | | I think the problem is the same in each European state - for certain in France. Its a sign of the way economic growth has left many casualties along the way. So a recession/depression may well be just the thing we need to correct things.
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11.08.2011, 13:44
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| | | Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments) | Quote: | |  | | | Umm, this may sound weird... but... accept lower standard of life and work? | | | | | They exist on the breadline. It is inhuman to suggest they should suffer a lower standard of living which would affect health etc. According to the benefits system, they get the MINIMUM amount to survive. Barebones survival.
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| | | Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments) | Quote: | |  | | | And the petition refers only to those in London.
If a person is convicted of rioting, they and their family can already face eviction, if they're a council tenant. | | | | | So evict them and then what ??? The System still has to provide them / has a duty to provide them with accommodation.
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11.08.2011, 13:46
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| | | Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments) | Quote: | |  | | | What a great idea, use economic sanctions against the impoverished, starve them and force them into crime to feed themselves.
...and just how do people expect people on benefits (aka the breadline) to survive ?
This is a knee jerk, spiteful reaction. Poorly thought out and impossible to implement. People's time is best spent elsewhere. | | | | | I think leaving people to starve is a bit of an extreme suggestion, however they could reduce their benefits to a minimum, so that they are given food tokens instead of money and so on.
I'm a bit more of a leftie nowadays and I fully understand the Let Them Become Good People Through Education argumeent, but I do honestly think there are a small subset of youths nowadays in england who will not respond to the softly softly approach and if who, rather than having benefits completely removed, had to do some type of work, be it community service, for continued benefit payment, might actually learn a bit more about respect that way.
The argument of "well if you dont give them benefits they'll just become even more terrible criminals" is bullying in itself - trying to instill a picture of fear with thousands of master criminals roaming the streets. If they become greater criminals then they will be improsoned for longer when caught.
I am all for education education education when it works, however you cannot continually throw money at a project forever when the only visible response is that your city is trashed.
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| | | Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments) | Quote: | |  | | | ...and just how do people expect people on benefits (aka the breadline) to survive ? | | | | | they don't. hence it is a permanent solution to the problem.
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| | | Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments) | Quote: | |  | | | So evict them and then what ??? The System still has to provide them / has a duty to provide them with accommodation. | | | | | Thats correct, but how do you explain to one neighbour who is law abiding keeps their council house clean, claims the correct amount of money from welfare and tries to get along, that their neighbour who has been out looting , probably pushing drugs to their child outside,drinking all night and sleeping all day and trashing their own council place that its our duty to provide for both neighbours equally.
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| | | Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments) | Quote: | |  | | | They exist on the breadline. It is inhuman to suggest they should suffer a lower standard of living which would affect health etc. According to the benefits system, they get the MINIMUM amount to survive. Barebones survival. | | | | | except they dont. the UK benefits system is quite generous and no matter what level of benefits you are on you get NHS service for free as it is social healthcare.
It is certainly inhuman to march down ealing setting fire to and wrecking all the shops.
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| | | Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments) | Quote: | |  | | | except they dont. the UK benefits system is quite generous and no matter what level of benefits you are on you get NHS service for free as it is social healthcare.
It is certainly inhuman to march down ealing setting fire to and wrecking all the shops. | | | | | Generous ? Absolute rubbish. It is a pittance.
Forget healthcare, we are talking even lower basics such as decent housing and enough money for eating properly.
Whatever you or other people say, the level of benefits keeps people on the breadline , it encourages crime. Increase the level of benefits, give people jobs, respect and dignity and the social ills will fade away. Look at the crime rates in countries that pay a living benefit (Denmark, Switzerland etc), they have none of the UK's social problems.
Reducing benefits is ridiculous. Spiteful, hateful and ignorant.
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These kids need to be punished, Prison isnt enough, most of them have probably been to prison before, so no big deal ..... stopping benefits or part of should do the trick....
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| | | Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments) | Quote: | |  | | | Thats correct, but how do you explain to one neighbour who is law abiding keeps their council house clean, claims the correct amount of money from welfare and tries to get along, that their neighbour who has been out looting , probably pushing drugs to their child outside,drinking all night and sleeping all day and trashing their own council place that its our duty to provide for both neighbours equally. | | | | | Provide equally, if they are breaking the law, there are existing measures in place to deal with that. That honest hard working neighbour has self respect and does not need an consolation as to what their neighbours get up to.
Cutting benefits will only make things worse. The argument ends there.
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