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Afghanistan: US marines urinate on dead bodies

After the marines beheading bodies and playing with the head, here is another case showing outrageous behavior.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1200324.html
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Re: Afghanistan: US marines urinate on dead bodies

You may consider it outrageous, but for a warzone it's still rather mild. People can become animals in an environment like that.
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Re: Afghanistan: US marines urinate on dead bodies

In their own minds they must feel some kind of perverse satisfaction I guess.

Well, they've served their country, they'll be treated as heroes when they come home and when they're sitting on their rocking chairs on the porch with grandchildren perched on their knees in a few decades, they can tell the little ones that they made this planet a much better and safer place to be.

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You may consider it outrageous, but for a warzone it's still rather mild. People can become animals in an environment like that.

There are places where people become animals where it isn't a war zone - one such place is Quantanamo. Pissing on dead bodies is almost a good deed in comparison.
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After the marines beheading bodies and playing with the head, here is another case showing outrageous behavior.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1200324.html
Thanks for posting. Images like this hopefully help to resist widespread glorification of military, whitewashing of a war and indifference and lack of compassion for its victims...
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Thanks for posting. Images like this hopefully help to resist widespread glorification of military, whitewashing of a war and indifference and lack of compassion for its victims...
Glorification of war? You still think we have that? I beg to disagree, if Vietnam and pictures of screaming kids covered in agent orange or rows of murdered Jews in 1945 didn't affect your senses then, you must have been living under an extremely isolated rock watching Sesame Street instead of the news.
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Re: Afghanistan: US marines urinate on dead bodies

Perhaps not glorification of war, but rather banalization of war. We have been numbed worldwide to these images, sounds, reports. Do we care? Can we even do something about it? Thus the numbness sets in. And on to the next "real" problem in our lives.
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Well, they've served their country, they'll be treated as heroes when they come home and when they're sitting on their rocking chairs on the porch with grandchildren perched on their knees in a few decades, they can tell the little ones that they made this planet a much better and safer place to be.
The mental double standard and hero worship we have of soldiers who killed for our country is really weird if you think about it. In any other circumstances, like if you're going to be presented to a guywho you know went to jail for killing someone and served his time, your first reaction is, "Uhh, don't want to be around that guy, he killed somebody." But if he's a 'war hero'? "It's an honor to meet you, sir!"
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Re: Afghanistan: US marines urinate on dead bodies

Maybe I've become desensitized but this doesn't really bother me too much. They're dead after all.
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Maybe I've become desensitized but this doesn't really bother me too much. They're dead after all.
you react like this because you don't see them as human beings anymore. Quite worrying I must say.
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you react like this because you don't see them as human beings anymore. Quite worrying I must say.
Better to be p1ssed on than p1ssed off?
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You may consider it outrageous, but for a warzone it's still rather mild. People can become animals in an environment like that.
Being groaned for what you said seems "fun" and amusing...

They're killing each others, dying with mines, bombs, attacks...etc...

and you expect them to behave normally?

Maybe for the bunch of pacifists idiots citizen we are, we "assume" that they're there distributing flowers and love?

I don't mean to defend "pissing on dead bodies" (ain't look fun anyway) but come on, "groaning" someone who said they're like animals on such an hostile environment... that's entirely true!!!

It's a war, what do you expect? Fairness, nobility, love and compassion?

...go back to smoke your hippies things then, because the reality of conflicts is far from being peaceful and all that.
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Being groaned for what you said seems "fun" and amusing...

They're killing each others, dying with mines, bombs, attacks...etc...

and you expect them to behave normally?

Maybe for the bunch of pacifists idiots citizen we are, we "assume" that they're there distributing flowers and love?

I don't mean to defend "pissing on dead bodies" (ain't look fun anyway) but come on, "groaning" someone who said they're like animals on such an hostile environment... that's entirely true!!!

It's a war, what do you expect? Fairness, nobility, love and compassion?

...go back to smoke your hippies things then, because the reality of conflicts is far from being peaceful and all that.
Were you never hugged by your parents and told that they loved you ....?
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Re: Afghanistan: US marines urinate on dead bodies

It's appalling; so is war. But I'll leave judgment of those men to others who have seen battle. According to the VA a veteran commits suicide every 80 minutes. It's one thing to be trained to kill and be shot at, another to actually kill and be shot at. The changes in one's mind and soul must be horrible.
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Were you never hugged by your parents and told that they loved you ....?
Yes I was also told about Santa, etc...

Well guess what it was not true!

It's just some people seems to still believe in beauty of the war or anything... Not even debating if it's useful or not, but saying there's nothing fair or noble in it.

So the whole bunch of horrors happening there should not be reduced to "peeing on dead bodies". We should also comment everything else then-

Or what? let's say the peeing offender is judged, found guilty and punished.

End of it? no more shocking things, justice has been served?
I doubt it....
But many people will be closing their eyes after that...
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Glorification of war? You still think we have that? I beg to disagree, if Vietnam and pictures of screaming kids covered in agent orange or rows of murdered Jews in 1945 didn't affect your senses then, you must have been living under an extremely isolated rock watching Sesame Street instead of the news.
I didn't say "glorification of war". I said "glorification of military".
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Re: Afghanistan: US marines urinate on dead bodies

sorry, but war has always been like this, look back not so far and 'we' used to stick the enemies heads on sticks and parade around with them, or drag the bodies behind horses etc

These iintellectually challenged squaddies have had it drummed into them for the passed 10 years that all arabs are evil, they personally tried to kill them in 9/11 the 'enemy' have been totally demonised and just are not real people anymore, on top of that they have seen there mates blown to pieces with IED's day in, day out.

We watched a program the other night on US boarder patrol, and they had ingested the propaganda hook line and sinker, drug runners in mexico where in fact terrorists, everything linked back to al qaeda one way or another, now if these semi intelligent people believe that, what hope is there for the average GI who see's things day in day out that we can only hope we never see???
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Glorification of war? You still think we have that? I beg to disagree, if Vietnam and pictures of screaming kids covered in agent orange or rows of murdered Jews in 1945 didn't affect your senses then, you must have been living under an extremely isolated rock watching Sesame Street instead of the news.
I was watching the news. And the embedded journalists of CNN - so I am not talking about Fox "News" - very well glorified the invasion in Iraq. The way they reported it was half way between the super bowl and a computer game. The pictures from Vietnam were the trigger for that - "embedding" journalists and make them glorify things if they want access to the info was the lesson learned from that war.

I do not agree that being in a war zone is a sufficient excuse to piss on dead humans.
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I do not agree that being in a war zone is a sufficient excuse to piss on dead humans.
Well no ones agrees on that...But:
1) they must be quite fecked up. Actually there's a known effect of war called post stress disorder or something? Ie it messes up their minds quite badly.
So it might even be a dicease, an action from mentally ill people.

2) it's always lot of horrible things during wars... how about mustard gases during the 1st war? how about "famas" gun designed to injure, not to kill? Is that more noble? It's still in service why no one cares or complain?

3) Why being "shocked" at such appealing behavior and be safely behind a screen, in the office, nearly watching "teletubbies" everyday? I mean who's been in that context? who are we to comment on "peeing" while some people are fighting to death? We can agree that it's wrong but maybe we should ease our comments, and also extend our targets because there's much more horrible things in war...

Oh well I know it's loss of time to bother because look: human being keep doing wars and never learn/listen... WW1, WW2, etc...
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Re: Afghanistan: US marines urinate on dead bodies

So I think we all mostly agree that to us average folk, it's pretty disturbing and offensive. And to those out there fighting, the experience is traumatizing and life-changing such that we don't perhaps understand the hows or whys of things people do, such as urinating on corpses.

Given all that, is the question now "What kind of emotional/mental support can we offer troops to prevent this kind of thing from occurring?" I mean, putting aside whether or not anyone would condone the act. Seems that it goes beyond just having some printed code of ethics.
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