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05.02.2012, 17:44
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| | | Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia )
Today I read in the news that between 100 and 200 died in east Europe because of the cold weather, I got a bit affected about this topic.
I know that death is death - whatever it tastes it ends up into death and departure,
But for a while I wondered how these people may have suffered during the moment of their death due to the cold weather.
I come from a country where cold means +10 degrees, living here for some years now where it just measured -24 last night showed me how hard it can be when someone has to stay overnight in even less temperature as those who died in Ukrain where the temperature reached -40. News link about the cold weather here
and here.
Well, I am not sure if it is Ok to use the forum just to share some feelings or opinions - I just wanted to write this and hope it is not against the regulations.
Seezing the chance that people here are from everywhere in the world, I would like to know if there is a way one can help those homeless in East Europe to survive these very hard times,
It just makes the one mad when thinking about how was the last minutes in the life of those who died due to cold weather - I hope no one ever will face such situation.
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05.02.2012, 18:15
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia )
Don`t worry, this is the right forum for that.
Freezing to death is not too bad actually and I speak from personal experience, ironically a person freeing to death will start to feel warm and comfortable, to a point where you start to shed clothing. then you will start to feel sleepy, really, really sleepy, you want nothing more to lay down in the snow and cuddle up, at that point you are already dead, you just don`t know it yet and you never will, you just go to sleep feeling warm and safe and thats it.
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05.02.2012, 18:17
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia ) | Quote: | |  | | | Don`t worry, this is the right forum for that.
Freezing to death is not too bad actually and I speak from personal experience, ironically a person freeing to death will start to feel warm and comfortable, to a point where you start to shed clothing. then you will start to feel sleepy, really, really sleepy, you want nothing more to lay down in the snow and cuddle up, at that point you are already dead, you just don`t know it yet and you never will, you just go to sleep feeling warm and safe and thats it. | | | | | Sounds like a nice way to go..
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05.02.2012, 18:22
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia )
I heard that the "humane" way to kill pests is to put them in the freezer, so it can't be too bad if it is recommended by animal welfare people. Of course dying is terrible, but as methods of death go hypothermia is not violent or painful (apparently).
But yeah, it is sad people are still dying of the cold...
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05.02.2012, 18:32
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia )
The danger is that you think that you are doing the right thing, just lay down for a short nap, it will be alright, nothing will happen, have a rest.
In the back of my brain there was a little voice screaming that I will die if I did that, I wanted nothing more then to ignore that voice.
This was in 1987-ish I was working in Obertauern in Austria just before christmas. I went out of the hotels kitchen for a smoke (did stupid things in them days) in a blinding white out blizzard, I was not more than 20 meters from the door and got lost, I walked the wrong direction and ended up half a kilometer away in another hotel and survived.
The hotelier chucked me as I was into the hotel pool, I owe the guy my life.
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05.02.2012, 18:37
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia )
I know it is not the same but I almost died back in 2005 because of hypothermia but due to cold water. It is the worst thing that I have ever gone through. The worst part was that the guy that was with me first thought that I was joking. We had been having lots of fun before that. He realized in time and saved me. I still have in my mind the image of my wife and my kids on the shore playing while I was trying to figure out what was going on. Many nights after that I had a hard time, many months after that I always suffocated in water or even talking about what happened and now I cannot swim unless I feel the ground.
It was bad to go through and worse to deal with it afterwards even though I was so happy to be alive. | Quote: | |  | | | Don`t worry, this is the right forum for that.
Freezing to death is not too bad actually and I speak from personal experience, ironically a person freeing to death will start to feel warm and comfortable, to a point where you start to shed clothing. then you will start to feel sleepy, really, really sleepy, you want nothing more to lay down in the snow and cuddle up, at that point you are already dead, you just don`t know it yet and you never will, you just go to sleep feeling warm and safe and thats it. | | | | | | | This user would like to thank cdcdoc for this useful post: | | 
05.02.2012, 18:41
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia ) | Quote: | |  | | | I know it is not the same but I almost died back in 2005 because of hypothermia but due to cold water. It is the worst thing that I have ever gone through. The worst part was that the guy that was with me first thought that I was joking. We had been having lots of fun before that. He realized in time and saved me. I still have in my mind the image of my wife and my kids on the shore playing while I was trying to figure out what was going on. Many nights after that I had a hard time, many months after that I always suffocated in water or even talking about what happened and now I cannot swim unless I feel the ground.
It was bad to go through and worse to deal with it afterwards even though I was so happy to be alive. | | | | | Just shows how easy ones life can be snuffed out by uncaring nature, in the blink of an eye
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05.02.2012, 19:08
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia ) | Quote: | |  | | | I heard that the "humane" way to kill pests is to put them in the freezer, so it can't be too bad if it is recommended by animal welfare people. Of course dying is terrible, but as methods of death go hypothermia is not violent or painful (apparently). | | | | | This is a wive's tale -- freezing your pet to euthanize it is incredibly cruel and painful to the animal.  Just to make sure that this piece of misinformation isn't spread further, please see the following: | Quote: |  | | | An Additional Note about Freezer Euthanasia
We've had several inquiries and tracked several searches back to our site specifically looking for information on euthanising rodents using the freezer, and have decided that it may be important to elaborate on what an inhumane method this is. Please remember that placing your animal in the freezer to euthanize them is a very painful way to die, and it can take quite a long time. This method of euthanisia causes hypothermia, which has the following stages:
Stage One: Mild to strong shivering occurs, while blood vessels in the outer extremeties constrict to lessen heat loss. Breathing becomes quick and shallow, dexterity and control over extremeties becomes hindered. A warming feeling may occur as Stage Two approaches.
Stage Two: Shivering becomes violent. Muscle motions become uncoordinated, and movement is slow and labored accompanied by mental confusion. Surface blood vessels continue to contract to try and protect the vital orgrans. Extremeties and exposed skin (such as paws, tails and lips) may turn blue from lack of circulation.
Stage Three: Shivering usually stops at this point as the cellular metabolic process shuts down. Exposed skin may become blue and puffy. Movement becomes almost impossible. Behaviors such as frantic burrowing, or stupor can occur. Pulse and respiration drops, while fast heart rates can occur. Major organs fail causing Clinical Death, although there is evidence that it will take longer for the brain to completely die. | | | | | | | This user would like to thank Village Idiot for this useful post: | | 
05.02.2012, 19:15
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia )
Yup I can confirm this, the shivering stopped. Seems Like I was borderline three.
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05.02.2012, 19:16
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia ) | Quote: | |  | | | This is a wive's tale -- freezing your pet to euthanize it is incredibly cruel and painful to the animal. Just to make sure that this piece of misinformation isn't spread further, please see the following: | | | | | Gastro euthanasia always dictates that using the freezer is better then most other options.
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia ) | Quote: | |  | | | Sounds like a nice way to go.. | | | | | It sounds like a bloody horrible way to go... | 
05.02.2012, 19:28
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia )
It was, until you get way past that point, then it`s easy. Jack London was correct.
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05.02.2012, 19:29
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia )
Interesting and wonderful contributions, and great to see these experiences and to feel how hard it was, this possibly gives the one some sence of wisdom, that life doesn't deserve any of the struggles that we are doing all around - life is too short.
Remains one thing that makes it harder to those who died in East Europe or anywhere in poor areas....
Which is they did not have any other choise to avoid this, they live in the outside space where there is no shelter, no heaters, and possibly no food as well.. they just have to accept it, wait for it if they know about it, then experience it.
I really hope we can find a way to help those and others who may suffer from life daily interruptions whatever if it is natural or human made issues..
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05.02.2012, 20:17
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia )
Speaking of cold...here is a very good explanation for the cold weather: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16873269 | | The following 2 users would like to thank cdcdoc for this useful post: | | 
05.02.2012, 20:18
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia )
I was discussing with a Polish friend this subject a few days ago. She says that it happens every year. Most of the victims are chronic alcoholics - I don't know what effect that has on the hypothermia.
Street kids in Romania go into the sewers when it gets really cold, as it is warmer.
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05.02.2012, 20:20
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Wikipedia:
Alcohol consumption increases the risk of hypothermia via its action as a vasodilator. It increases blood flow to the body's skin and extremities, making a person feel warm, while increasing heat loss.Between 33 and 73% of cases of hypothermia are complicated by alcohol. | Quote: | |  | | | I was discussing with a Polish friend this subject a few days ago. She says that it happens every year. Most of the victims are chronic alcoholics - I don't know what effect that has on the hypothermia.
Street kids in Romania go into the sewers when it gets really cold, as it is warmer. | | | | | | 
05.02.2012, 20:30
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People and animals died also in Switzerland trying to keep warm http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_ne...l?cid=32069232 | 
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| | | Re: Death due to cold weather ( Hypothermia ) | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | And here I thought it was because it's winter!
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