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Re: Man held for nearly 8 years without trial, to be extradited to USA

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Are you saying that if it costs too much, we shouldn't bother with due process and the rule of law?

I am also curious about your claim that Babar Ahmed (the only case I'm slightly familiar with because of the press coverage it received) hates and wants to destroy Britain, whether you can back that up with a statement or action attributed to him?
Go read up on some of his statements and preachings, they are readily available on the net. I am sure you will find his comments on the London bombings interesting.

Its not about 'bothering about the law' this guy is in the UK to preach about and promote hate/terrorism against the West.
He is in the UK claiming £1000's of pounds in benefits, he consumes £100,000's of tax payers money to remain in the UK to allow him to preach his hate and prevent him being charged in other counties.

He hates the UK, he hates 99% of the UK population, he would be happy if that 99% died.

The US want him and have wanted him for a long time, as I said him and his followers should have been kicked out the UK a long time ago.

Stupid, stupid human rights, it really is pathetic when human rights don't protect humans.
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Old 27.09.2012, 11:38
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Re: Man held for nearly 8 years without trial, to be extradited to USA

Abu Hamza has openly preached hate and should have been thrown out of the country long ago, I couldn't imagine the Swiss would tolerate such behaviour here for one second
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Old 27.09.2012, 11:47
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Abu Hamza has openly preached hate and should have been thrown out of the country long ago, I couldn't imagine the Swiss would tolerate such behaviour here for one second
Or any country that has bit of backbone to stick two fingers up to human rights when necessary.
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Old 27.09.2012, 11:49
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Re: Man held for nearly 8 years without trial, to be extradited to USA

Sbrinz, in the case of Ahmed, he has definitely not been convicted of any crime.

For people like Abu Hamza, who move to a host country, live off the tax payer and then continuously blast the host country, I do not have too much sympathy.

And I find it quite strange that because I voiced concerns over Ahmed's detention for 8 years without charge, and said that due process and the rule of law should be followed, you somehow come to the conclusion that I am biased against European Justice?

I don't want to get into a prolonged debate about these issues, but I feel very uncomfortable at the new laws that have been enacted post 9/11 to protect us. Some of these laws are extremely draconian (secret courts, indefinite detention without charge), and invariably these same laws that are passed in the name of protecting the populace from a band of fanatics, will come back and bite the arses of the very populace they were supposed to protect. And for an illustration of that just google the name of Walter Wolfgang, and review the accounts of the protestors at the various Occupy (Wall Street) movements around the US.

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I can't be bothered to go back and prove it to you, but haven't they all been convicted of "Terrorist" crimes already in the UK? Isn't this why they are locked up to protect us all from more 7/7 atrocities? There are laws to protect these "Innocent" people from bad justice, and they have used these laws to escape further trials and further judgement. I think you are very biased against European justice. If you are in a European country then you get good, slow, justice. This has been admirably demonstrated by taking eight years to reach a deportation order: in many countries they would have been executed eight years ago.
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Old 27.09.2012, 11:51
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Re: Man held for nearly 8 years without trial, to be extradited to USA

I didn't ask Abu Hamza, I asked about Babar Ahmed.

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Go read up on some of his statements and preachings, they are readily available on the net. I am sure you will find his comments on the London bombings interesting.

Its not about 'bothering about the law' this guy is in the UK to preach about and promote hate/terrorism against the West.
He is in the UK claiming £1000's of pounds in benefits, he consumes £100,000's of tax payers money to remain in the UK to allow him to preach his hate and prevent him being charged in other counties.

He hates the UK, he hates 99% of the UK population, he would be happy if that 99% died.

The US want him and have wanted him for a long time, as I said him and his followers should have been kicked out the UK a long time ago.

Stupid, stupid human rights, it really is pathetic when human rights don't protect humans.
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Old 27.09.2012, 12:01
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I didn't ask Abu Hamza, I asked about Babar Ahmed.
Go read up on him, its all there for you on the net, go read up on all of them, don't be lazy, I am not going to search the net and quote quotes just because you want proof that these scum bags really are scum bags.

Oh and after you have read up on them I will be happy see too a reply from you saying 'yep you're right these pieces of shit really are the lowest scum on earth'.
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Old 27.09.2012, 12:04
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Re: Man held for nearly 8 years without trial, to be extradited to USA

Apparently it centres around the fact that the website they were involved with was hosted in the US, which is why the US want them extradited. Still they were involved with the website
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Old 27.09.2012, 12:07
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Re: Man held for nearly 8 years without trial, to be extradited to USA

Add to the list those names of those jeering dead soldiers and burning poppies and get rid of the lot of them.
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Old 27.09.2012, 12:16
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Re: Man held for nearly 8 years without trial, to be extradited to USA

Whenever I read of foreigners here complaining about European justice, I think to myself yeah, those courts in "Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Saudi, Libya, Tunesia, and all the rest in that area" are really a shining example to us.

Those poor poor "terrorists", they are just not getting the justice they deserve in Europe. Bye the way, can you name one supreme court in any middle east country?
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Old 27.09.2012, 12:25
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Re: Man held for nearly 8 years without trial, to be extradited to USA

stolen from another forum....... the truth is out !

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Considering he wants all those other weird beards to become martyrs for islam he is being a bit shy about risking it himself.

I reckon he is only trying to stay in Britain until christmas as he is appearing in pantomime. He is playing the baddie in Peter Pan at the West London Mosque theatre. Istead of shouting "He's behind you" the audience have to shout "Stop. Hamza time" whenever he comes on stage.

I think the US have reluctantly agreed to this only because Hamza gets eaten by a crocodile at the end. Which is pretty much what they have in store for him next year
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Re: Man held for nearly 8 years without trial, to be extradited to USA

Courts are good where there is doubt that a crime may have been commited but where the undeniable evidence they're very poor and take an age to get things moving, then there are appeals and then applications to other courts it drags the process out that much more and the cost to the taxpayer is that more substantial
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Old 27.09.2012, 13:22
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Re: Man held for nearly 8 years without trial, to be extradited to USA

I like how he scratches an itch

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Old 27.09.2012, 14:16
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Add to the list those names of those jeering dead soldiers and burning poppies and get rid of the lot of them.
Hmm. Just the mentality the extremists have. What's the difference? Who are they? Who are we?
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Old 27.09.2012, 14:29
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Re: Man held for nearly 8 years without trial, to be extradited to USA

The point of Human Rights is that they apply to everyone, even scumbag terrorists. They might set no store by them, but we do. I won't shed a tear over any of these guys being sent to the US, but it does seem wrong to hold anyone without trial for such a long time.
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The point of Human Rights is that they apply to everyone, even scumbag terrorists. They might set no store by them, but we do. I won't shed a tear over any of these guys being sent to the US, but it does seem wrong to hold anyone without trial for such a long time.
The main point is they would have been deported years ago, but they used every trick in the book to delay appearing before US justice. So I think to myself, if they are so worried about receiving a fair trial in a democratic country maybe, just maybe, they themselves believe they are guilty!
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Hmm. Just the mentality the extremists have. What's the difference? Who are they? Who are we?
They are the ones that blow up innocent civilians to further their cause, jeer as dead soldiers coffins pass by, burn poppies and protest during the silences held for the many men and women that gave theirs lives so that free speech and democracy can exist. Who are we? we are the people who vote and start petitions when we don't agree with things and don't resort to violence we are tolerant and accepting of other cultures.

By getting rid of them I meant send them to these countries that aren't so democratic so long as they're not in our country as they don't deserve to there. Plainly and simply put would you go to another country, live off it's welfare have them provide you with the means to live a decent life and then preach hatred about it?

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Old 27.09.2012, 17:00
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Are you serious? It's in the International Affairs section...and more over would you like to be held for 8 years without a trial?
No. But I am quite happy for criminals like Abu Hamza to be held in solitary and made to watch the shopping channel non-stop for 8 years.
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Old 27.09.2012, 17:22
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Re: Man held for nearly 8 years without trial, to be extradited to USA

There should be a place ,International recognized,for those precks to be deported to.May I recomend ,same place where Bin laden is R.I.P
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Old 27.09.2012, 18:20
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There should be a place ,International recognized,for those precks to be deported to.May I recomend ,same place where Bin laden is R.I.P
Rest In Pieces?
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Who are we? we are the people who vote and start petitions when we don't agree with things and don't resort to violence we are tolerant and accepting of other cultures.
Don't forget there were British people who blew up other British people in London on 07/07. The followers in Finsbury Park influenced by Abu Hamza and his ilk were British. Where do we go from here?
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