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Old 17.11.2012, 14:35
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Green Deal fiasco in UK??

The Green Deal encourages homeowners to take out a loan to make their house more energy-efficient. The project goes live in 10 weeks but households have had since October 1 to have their home assessed for the scheme prior to its launch.


However Greg Barker, the climate change minister, has admitted that “no assessments have yet been lodged” on the Government’s official register by homeowners.

The Green Deal is the Government’s flagship policy to make homes more energy efficient and – ultimately - cut energy bills, which have soared in recent years.

According to the Federation of Master Builders, the UK’s biggest building trade body, only one firm from its 10,000-strong membership has signed up to become an accredited Green Deal installer.
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Re: Green Deal fiasco in UK??

They did this in Belgium and are now stopping it cause it was to much of a success. You got no interest loans and subsidies from the state

My rents did it also as we have a very big house and lots of energy use (pool and dental offices)

It gets your investment back in 4 years and they dont need replacement for 15 years (solar) and its pretty cool when you see the monthly bill being next to nothing. We also got this little wireless device which calculates how much you saved. (in 4 months they saved well over 3k euros on electricity)

So Good initiative!
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They did this in Belgium and are now stopping it cause it was to much of a success.
Love the logic of this approach!
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Old 22.01.2013, 21:23
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Re: Green Deal fiasco in UK??

Things are improving, seems 5 homeowners have signed up now
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Re: Green Deal fiasco in UK??

Thanks for the tip, marton. This is the first time I've heard of the Green Deal. So far, I haven't noticed any advertising on British telly.

I'd like to get our home fitted with solar water heating and will check out what's on offer from the government.

I hope the new Green Deal scheme is a huge success.
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Old 23.01.2013, 10:39
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Thanks for the tip, marton. This is the first time I've heard of the Green Deal. So far, I haven't noticed any advertising on British telly.

I'd like to get our home fitted with solar water heating and will check out what's on offer from the government.

I hope the new Green Deal scheme is a huge success.
Let us know how it goes for you?
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Love the logic of this approach!
Well it makes sense - it costs money. If too many people are going for it, it's probably too generous.

(This has happened a LOT with solar subsidies in the last five years, as the price of the technology has fallen much faster than the subsidies. A number of European countries, including Italy, Denmark, Germany, Spain and the UK, have either met their 2020 solar targets as laid out by the National Renewable Action Plans, or are on track to overshoot them. There's a necessary period of recalibrating subsidies to the actual cost, and also potentially revising the targets as solar can play a bigger part in renewable energy plans than previously envisaged).
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(in 4 months they saved well over 3k euros on electricity)
Unless you run your whole house on some sort of exotic high-octane gas imported from a Chevron gas station in Glarus, then I don't see why it would be so expensive.

FYI: It depends on the coutnry, but on average it takes homeowner roughly 10 years to get the investment back.

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Unless you run your whole house on some sort exotic high-octane gas imported from a Chevron gas station in Glarus, then I don't see why it would be so expensive.

FYI: It depends on the coutnry, but on average it takes homeowner roughly 10 years to get the investment back.
Appropos of nothing I got an electricity bill this week for -3CHF. Quite stunning!
According to the attached document my electricty consumption fo the year is 16% less than last year - wish I knew why!!
I have switched to mostly LED bulbs but find it hard to attribute such a big decrease to this cause; especially as I still have my 500W halogen lamps......

BTW, after 10 years you may need to be looking at replacing your energy alternative devices - they do not last a life time.
Additional insulation does last a life time (usually).
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BTW, after 10 years you may need to be looking at replacing your energy alternative devices - they do not last a life time.
Additional insulation does last a life time (usually).
Good point. Many solar panel producers give up to 30 warranty and you can expect the output of a module to decrease after time.
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Good point. Many solar panel producers give up to 30 warranty and you can expect the output of a module to decrease after time.
Um, only MAGE Solar, and you probably pay a good deal extra for that versus a perfectly good (probably Chinese) module. Generally the warranty is for module degradation to 90% of initial output after 20 years and 80% after 25. There's no reason they should not last longer, though - the oldest crystalline silicon solar modules are still good after 35 years or so. The inverters, wiring and mounting are likely to need extensive maintenance or replacement in this timeframe though.
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Um, only MAGE Solar, and you probably pay a good deal extra for that versus a perfectly good (probably Chinese) module. Generally the warranty is for module degradation to 90% of initial output after 20 years and 80% after 25. There's no reason they should not last longer, though - the oldest crystalline silicon solar modules are still good after 35 years or so. The inverters, wiring and mounting are likely to need extensive maintenance or replacement in this timeframe though.
Hear hear, somebody who knows their module!
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Good point. Many solar panel producers give up to 30 warranty and you can expect the output of a module to decrease after time.
Not only solar though.

Where I live we have a heatpump for hot water. This had 2 major repairs (compressor replacement) @ circa 10 year intervals & was eventually replaced (at major cost) after 25 years. I assume the compressor replacement story will continue........
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Re: Green Deal fiasco in UK??

Government kills off flagship green deal for home insulation
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...-of-green-deal

Quote "The UK government has effectively killed its flagship scheme to insulate homes because it says take-up has been too low

The green deal was hailed as “transformational” and the “biggest home improvement programme since the second world war” by ministers when it was launched in 2013."
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