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Crisis in Gaza

I am really sorry to share such a horrific video, but I think it is important that everyone on this planet realises what is going on in the largest open air prison in the world in Palestine. It is not a war where you can say ‘both sides’ are wrong or ‘both sides’ are equally to blame. It is a butchering, a racial cleansing of people by another group of people that see them as objects and not live human beings .

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Old 21.11.2012, 11:32
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Re: Crisis in Gaza

This is in Swiss Politics?
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Old 21.11.2012, 11:42
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Re: Crisis in Gaza

Is this a war? I see no soldiers. Only medical men, firemen, civilians - women and children. And babies.
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Re: Crisis in Gaza

I can't see it as I don't have flash player on my ipad.
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Is this a war? I see no soldiers. Only medical men, firemen, civilians - women and children. And babies.
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It is not a war... It is a butchering, a racial cleansing of people by another group of people that see them as objects and not live human beings.
That still doesn't mean it isn't becoming a war...
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Old 21.11.2012, 11:49
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I think this should have been posted under "Off topic - International affairs/politics.
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I can't see it as I don't have flash player on my ipad.


Your not missing much. The video is from years ago.


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I think this should have been posted under "Off topic - International affairs/politics.
Great, now we're all on the same page. Apologies to ALL for being too quick to select a forum topic - as I implied, the mods should rectify this, so maybe we can redirect our focus to the subject matter here?
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That still doesn't mean it isn't becoming a war...
And the whole world just sits around watching without doing anything about the carnage?

I`m ignorant about international conventions and such, but surely a people cannot be butchered without some sort of United Nations intervention?
Was nothing learned from the last wars?
Where is America when they could be doing something useful at last?
Where there really is a need for some armed intervention to protect citizens?
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Realy? So I`m getting all upset over something from the past? Whew.
Should be a law against upsetting gentle old ladies!
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True, just looked into that as well.

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On the contrary, although the images take place in 08/09, they are vividly indicative of recent events and can be quite eye-opening (as it was for me, although largely due to my ignorance in the past, I admit).

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Old 21.11.2012, 12:25
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Re: Crisis in Gaza

The first clip of the F-16 is edited in. No airplane is going to drop ordnance in that attitude or height.
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Re: Crisis in Gaza

I think the video is for the "Cast Lead" offensive on Gaza in 2008, but probably what is happening now in Gaza is not of great difference, same butchering same civilian deaths.

Maybe this time Israel is just not using white phosphorus bombs to burn people alive as they did in 2008.
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I think the video is for the "Cast Lead" offensive on Gaza in 2008, but probably what is happening now in Gaza is not of great difference, same butchering same civilian deaths.

Maybe this time Israel is just not using white phosphorus bombs to burn people alive as they did in 2008.
I do not see where the Rockets are being fired 60Km into Israel without even trying to target military objects?
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to your comments

As the op mentioned they are not objects they are human beings, even if it is years old it still is valid.
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Re: Crisis in Gaza

Nice, Propaganda at it's finest, the Kassam's are so inaccurate that if it was not for gravity the damn things would not even hit the ground. But If you fire them from the middle of inhabited areas you are actually using the non combatants as a weapon far more deadly than mere rockets, you quickly get world opinion on your side when your enemy creams your firing positions.
With You-tube and twitter you have a very effective delivery system for weaponized pictures of lumps of meat.
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Old 21.11.2012, 13:25
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Nice, Propaganda at it's finest, the Kassam's are so inaccurate that if it was not for gravity the damn things would not even hit the ground. But If you fire them from the middle of inhabited areas you are actually using the non combatants as a weapon far more deadly than mere rockets, you quickly get world opinion on your side when your enemy creams your firing positions.
With You-tube and twitter you have a very effective delivery system for weaponized pictures of lumps of meat.
I don't think they are Kassams that are reaching Jerusalem & Tel Aviv?

Somebody should be sending this video to Iran?
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And the whole world just sits around watching without doing anything about the carnage?

I`m ignorant about international conventions and such, but surely a people cannot be butchered without some sort of United Nations intervention?
Was nothing learned from the last wars?
Where is America when they could be doing something useful at last?
Where there really is a need for some armed intervention to protect citizens?
>A people cannot be butchered, no, but this isnt a case of the IDF invading and killing everybody in one go. They've dragged it out for close to 40 years, and are slowly making it worse and worse. As a result, it isnt considered Genocide. The fact that it is, is irrelevant.

>Not really, no. The UN has passed resolution after resolution, but Israel has ignored them, and been allowed to do so, since they are allied to that great bastion of goodwill and peace, the US.

>America is on Israel's side. Where do you think Israel get their weapons?

>Armed Intervention by who? The UN? the US would never allow it. The arab countries? They have plenty to do themselves. And to have an armed conflict would mean going to war with the US, something no one can afford.

It genuinely pains me to say this, but Israel will get away with Genocide, because the US will allow it to. Palestinian blood is cheap, these days.
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I do not see where the Rockets are being fired 60Km into Israel without even trying to target military objects?
Perhaps Avigdor Leiberman will help. I sincerely hope there is a special pit in hell reserved for that despicable character.
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