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Re: Indian rape case.

" I admit to my crime, hang me "

Graphic details, don't want to quote here directly, horrific

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Re: Indian rape case.

[QUOTE=Carrie F;1754892]Something obviously needs to change regarding the treatment of women in Indian society. Apart from the rape problem, many Indian women are also forced into prostitution -- not to mention the problem with wife-burnings, etc.

I'm not sure if the dowry system is still in place in India, but I think it has somehow caused (some) Indian men to think of women as being expendable. (e.g. kill your wife so you can re-marry and get another dowry).

Yes the dowry system is very much in place, also among the well educated people and even some well off people would not bat an eye lid and accept it under the umbrella of 'tradition'.
In the north as well in the south. It is really a pity that young men don't resist and stand up against accepting dowry..
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The death penalty is there as a deterrent, and it works very well in countries where it is applied than countries where it is not applied.
That's a non sequetur. Read what you wrote.

To counter - imagine it was you brother, father, uncle or friend wrongly accused, but found guilty...

You write without really thinking things through.
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Re: Indian rape case.

It starts right from the foetus in the womb. There are still many hundreds of not thousands of female foetuses which are aborted simply because they are female. Female babies are also abandoned to their fate in many cases. It's a wonder the men can find any women to marry as the ratio of men to women is becoming so skewed from the norm. The whole attitude to females needs to be changed, but until government and religious leaders speak out nothing is going to change. The people are speaking out, it's time their leaders listened and acted.
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It starts right from the foetus in the womb. There are still many hundreds of not thousands of female foetuses which are aborted simply because they are female. Female babies are also abandoned to their fate in many cases. It's a wonder the men can find any women to marry as the ratio of men to women is becoming so skewed from the norm. The whole attitude to females needs to be changed, but until government and religious leaders speak out nothing is going to change. The people are speaking out, it's time their leaders listened and acted.
I don't know about the USA but in Canada, in areas where there is a large Asian population, the number of live births of boys is much higher than that of girls, leading the authorities to believe that this practice also occurs in Canada!

and btw, she was raped with an iron bar and this was the cause of her horrific injuries.
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That's a non sequetur. Read what you wrote.

To counter - imagine it was you brother, father, uncle or friend wrongly accused, but found guilty...

You write without really thinking things through.

"Wrongly accused but found guilty", is a pathetic argument in todays society considering all technology and resources available to the police and courts.

How many innocent have been wrongly convicted in the last decade?
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"Wrongly accused but found guilty", is a pathetic argument in todays society considering all technology and resources available to the police and courts.

How many innocent have been wrongly convicted in the last decade?
To quote your own line, that's a pathetic question/argument to bring up considering the horizon for exoneration is usually much longer than a decade and is a long drawn-out process. And if you meant it as a hypothetical, would you disagree with the statement that even if it's one person, it's too much?

Some data:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/stu...d-in-23-years/

A friend of mine who works for The Innocence Project has said that people thinking like you do is one of the main obstacles they have to face these days. Everyone is so used to TV shows like CSI where DNA and forensic evidence is plentiful and no injustices happen. Unfortunately, the world doesn't work like that. The evidence isn't always there, reasonable doubt is influenced by bias, resources like DNA testing are expensive and often left to be the responsibility of the defense team. It's not a coincidence that most wrongfully convicted people are poor. Benefactors like the Innocence Project are the only people who give them access to these means. A prosecutor is not beyond lazyness to get a conviction, they won't always do the footwork or put in the extra hours and money to check if they're wrong.

Here's a list of people they've helped get exonerated and each one has been a struggle.

I find it ironic that anti-death penalty people are always painted as naive by those pro death penalty. I think naiveté is betting on a 100% success rate of the justice system.
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"Wrongly accused but found guilty", is a pathetic argument in todays society considering all technology and resources available to the police and courts.

How many innocent have been wrongly convicted in the last decade?
You for real?
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I heard on the news yesterday that Indian politicians held an immediate debate, and some wanted the death penalty for rape. However, there seems to be a record number of rapes in Dehli and it's time it was stopped.

Some further information, added later,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20765364
India has used the death penalty in only three cases I believe since 1995 and they are said to have restricted it for use in the rarest of rare cases. Considering how common rape is in India, I doubt it would pass this test. But given the political state of this case, I strongly suspect the accused will be faced with the death penalty.
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It starts right from the foetus in the womb. There are still many hundreds of not thousands of female foetuses which are aborted simply because they are female. Female babies are also abandoned to their fate in many cases. It's a wonder the men can find any women to marry as the ratio of men to women is becoming so skewed from the norm. The whole attitude to females needs to be changed, but until government and religious leaders speak out nothing is going to change. The people are speaking out, it's time their leaders listened and acted.
I don't know about you, but I would rather be aborted as a foetus than badly abused as a child later on. I see nothing wrong with selective abortion since I know the way this plays out when parents with a strong preference end up with a child they don't want. Abused children that act out and eventually much worse.

The numbers will eventually level out, maybe after a mass event, like a generation of men that are unable to marry as in many Chinese provinces along with mass forced prostitution, or wealthy countries that elevate male children like Azerbaijan... or a severely low birth rate as in Japan. People simply don't take kindly to be treated horribly unless some god tells them the key to their salvation is to be trampled upon.
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Re: Indian rape case.

Based on this horrific incident, wanted to see how things are elsewhere in the world w.r.t. number of reported cases and punishments.

Surprisingly, a woman is raped every two minutes in a western( and developed country like the U S of A

http://www.rape.co.za/index.php?opti...sk=view&id=875
http://www.causes.com/causes/7710-st.../actions/52809

All these numbers are based on the actual cases reported, I imagine bad it would be in some countries (e.g. some Muslim countries ) were women are punished for being raped! and as a consequence they do not report it.

More the ethnicity, these events are more do with men trying to exert power over women.

While reading some of those, also found out about men rapes (i.e. men raped by other men and women) and how these cases are neglected by the society.
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Re: Indian rape case.

As I am a of Indian descent, I grew up with a very romantic impression of India.
Alas, the more Indians I met, this dissipated.....
Though this rape case may be brought to justice, the sad reality is that this will not be the norm.
As long as India is plagued with corruption, there is very little hope. My prayers go out to all the families who have lost their daughters to the savages that walk this earth.
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unfortunately, some of those savages are the parents of the child.

in my family, there was a very obvious preference for boys, and this hurt my sisters tremendously. they have never gotten over it.
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Re: Indian rape case.

I think the dowry system is primarily responsible for female babies being aborted in India. If you have a male child, you as the parent would receive a dowry when the child is married rather than having to pay a dowry if the child/bride is female. So it comes down to money, unfortunately.

India would probably be a much better place if it did away with the dowry system and the caste system altogether.
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I don't know about you, but I would rather be aborted as a foetus than badly abused as a child later on. I see nothing wrong with selective abortion since I know the way this plays out when parents with a strong preference end up with a child they don't want. Abused children that act out and eventually much worse.
I don't know about you but I would rather not be aborted and instead, be raised in a loving home where it doesn't matter whether I'm a girl or a boy.
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I think the dowry system is primarily responsible for female babies being aborted in India. If you have a male child, you as the parent would receive a dowry when the child is married rather than having to pay a dowry if the child/bride is female. So it comes down to money, unfortunately.

India would probably be a much better place if it did away with the dowry system and the caste system altogether.


If it were so easy......
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If it were so easy......
So true.

I know that social change usually follows legislative change very slowly, but I do think it's up to the Indian government to "set an example" and really punish these rapists and do everything it can to discourage the poor treatment of women there in the future. It seems there are so many government officials there getting away with such statements as "the women must have done something to deserve it."
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I don't know about you but I would rather not be aborted and instead, be raised in a loving home where it doesn't matter whether I'm a girl or a boy.
But you can't ban the thought crime of hating your daughters.. wouldn't it be better that such people just not have daughters?
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I think the dowry system is primarily responsible for female babies being aborted in India. If you have a male child, you as the parent would receive a dowry when the child is married rather than having to pay a dowry if the child/bride is female. So it comes down to money, unfortunately.

India would probably be a much better place if it did away with the dowry system and the caste system altogether.
And in China, they prefer boys because boys take care of their parents in their old age. There's a stupid reason for every unquestioned tradition out there... When is the human race going to start questioning traditions?
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That's a non sequetur. Read what you wrote.

To counter - imagine it was you brother, father, uncle or friend wrongly accused, but found guilty...

You write without really thinking things through.
Then I must be sleep writing.....

This is the kind of talk and molly cuddle culture, which probably gives burglars more right than the victims. Britan has become soft touch because of these types of thinking.

This is also the kind of argument which will favour the criminals. Why not do away with any punishment because they may be wrongly accused. You dont just do away with giving justice to the victims just because someone will be wrongly accused. Rape cases are very strict before the judge dispenses punishment.

I would actually accept the possibility of being wrongfully accused.
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