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Do you have references to support this claim?
This is a very strange question comimg from a knowledgeable person, or is it a bait for having a seperate discussion on cultural barbarianism?

I would be surprised if you haven't already googled the stas of countries applying the capital punishment for rape cases and ones who don't.
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This is a very strange question comimg from a knowledgeable person, or is it a bait for having a seperate discussion on cultural barbarianism?

I would be surprised if you haven't already googled the stas of countries applying the capital punishment for rape cases and ones who don't.
I haven't googled anything, the onus is on someone making a claim to substantiate it. Your claim is a very general one covering the very complex mechanism of criminal motivation and opportunity, encompassing a kaleidescope of cultural and legal jurisdictions, which generally cannot be summed up with simple stats.

Your original statement also did not just apply to rape, or were we just to assume that? The pro/cons of capital punishment is a subject for another thread.
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Re: Indian rape case.

Great article in the NY times. No excuses, but multiple factors... e.g. 15 million excess 15-35 year old men, due to the selective abortion of girls, so gangs of frustrated lads roaming around looking for "entertainment", which goes under the cuddly name of "eve-teasing".

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/wo...-india.html?hp
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Great article in the NY times. No excuses, but multiple factors... e.g. 15 million excess 15-35 year old men, due to the selective abortion of girls, so gangs of frustrated lads roaming around looking for "entertainment", which goes under the cuddly name of "eve-teasing".

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/wo...-india.html?hp
Very likely, but does this also happen in China?
No selected abortion of girls in US, but still very high incidence of rapes? I think this is far more complex and multifactorial. In many cases and historically, rape is used a weapon to exert power and dominance.
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Very likely, but does this also happen in China?
No selected abortion of girls in US, but still very high incidence of rapes? I think this is far more complex and multifactorial. In many cases and historically, rape is used a weapon to exert power and dominance.
I think rape is easy justification for men that see women as less than human. I can only assume this is why it's more common in countries with a higher wage disparity and in times of war -- easier to justify to oneself that a segment of the population is not quite human.

Keep in mind that these numbers only reflect reported rapes.
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How many innocent have been wrongly convicted in the last decade?
Nobody knows...

But it is definitely possible nobody can argue about that.
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I would actually accept the possibility of being wrongfully accused.
I really doubt that...

I can't believe that people advocate the capital punishment 2013, there are no advantages with it - Innocents have been executed and it has little to no effect against preventing crime.

also for an act like these "people" committed against this woman (RIP) there is no real punishment...but life in jail is probably the most cruel a person can get, knowing that they will never be free again.
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Why not do away with any punishment because they may be wrongly accused...
You see, a death penalty is quite final, you do understand that the person dies do you? There is no way to overrule...

A sentence serves 2 purposes:

1. It's a punishment for the committed crime

2. Therapy, we don't want the person to be more bitter, angry, mentally disturbed as before - i.e. the person has to get a second chance, otherwise the risk of him committing another crime is quite high...

The crime rate in a country is more or less a barometer of how social stable it is. Crime prevention is where the effort should be spent, punishment is not a good way to "scare" people away from crime anymore.
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The crime rate in a country is more or less a barometer of how social stable it is. Crime prevention is where the effort should be spent, punishment is not a good way to "scare" people away from crime anymore.
Considering that more than 1% of the US population is in prison, and their crime rate is much higher than other developed countries.. I would tend to agree with this point.
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Re: Indian rape case.

"Raping" someone with iron rods and ripping out intestines is something deeper than just "lust" entertainment" or any other flowery term used to depict the murderous psyches of the criminals.
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"Wrongly accused but found guilty", is a pathetic argument in todays society considering all technology and resources available to the police and courts.

How many innocent have been wrongly convicted in the last decade?
There are documented cases of men wrongly accused of rape such as Horst Arnold (deceased german teacher, he died from heart failure 6 or 7 months ago) who spent 5 long years in prison on false rape charges.
The scumbag who accused him of having raped her is still roaming free and although she may be facing trial for perjury, it's doubtful she will actually be doing time like she should be.

The powers that be and the legal system, judges and so forth shouldn't always be so genereously trusted, as there are many bad apples in their ranks that are just power tripping ,neurotic tyrants.
The fact that this man Horst Arnold had been refused indemnity by the court for his ordeal says a lot about the shady, rotten and somewhat criminal characters that part of the judicial system is made up of.

Another guy wrongly accused of rape was famous meteorologist Jörg Kachelmann.The court just stubbornly refused to look into evidence that might lead to his acquital and it's a near miracle he didn't suffer a fate similar to Arnold.

Quite a few rape charges are dropped early on in the investigation process, as the wrong accusers at some point admit to lying or can be proven wrong.
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and btw, she was raped with an iron bar and this was the cause of her horrific injuries.
I believe there is an important word missing from the title:

Indian 'GANG' rape case

I missed the iron bar in my reading believed it was used to beat them both did read the part re intestines, that shocked me, then them both being thrown off moving bus, naked, took long time to get help ... ...

This was a horrific story.

May She Rest in Peace
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I believe there is an important word missing from the title:

Indian 'GANG' rape case

I missed the iron bar in my reading believed it was used to beat them both did read the part re intestines, that shocked me, then them both being thrown off moving bus, naked, took long time to get help ... ...

This was a horrific story.

May She Rest in Peace
Apparently the 17 years old rapist was the most violent one. I hope they will change the law and be judged as an adult.
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Re: Indian rape case.

Capital punishment never solve problem or fix a society. You can compare countries which have or don't have it, after that you will find out which ones are more safe

governments should find out why these are happening otherwise killing a criminal is only fastest & easiest way not solve fundamental crimes

it was really painful & tragic for this girl ,wish never happen again anywhere
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7 year old girl raped and murdered ( Harpur, India ).

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Re: Indian rape case.

Apparently the accused in this case have managed to find a lawyer to represent them.

Under interview his defensive argument for the accused was based around that 'it was not their fault but the fault of the male friend of the girl who took/accompanied her on the bus at that time through that particular area.'

Please feel free to apply/extrapolate the basis of that argument over an infinite number of equally plausible scenarios. Treating it with the very apparent respect it deserves...

But who or what should be on trial here? The accused? or the system?/culture?/upbringing?/environment? (et al) they originated from...
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Under interview his defensive argument for the accused was based around that 'it was not their fault but the fault of the male friend of the girl who took/accompanied her on the bus at that time through that particular area.'

Please feel free to apply/extrapolate the basis of that argument over an infinite number of equally plausible scenarios. Treating it with the very apparent respect it deserves...

But who or what should be on trial here? The accused? or the system?/culture?/upbringing?/environment? (et al) they originated from...
Look when people do horrible things, it's hard for them to find a normal easy to understand rationale that makes their actions acceptable.

Who should be on trial? The people who raped her. Is that, that hard?
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Look when people do horrible things, it's hard for them to find a normal easy to understand rationale that makes their actions acceptable.

Who should be on trial? The people who raped her. Is that, that hard?
I have to disagree with you. For anybody who has been the victim of any sort of crime (no matter how horrible it maybe or not). The rational behind the crime is often very simple from a relative point of view of the perpetrator or perpetrators despite (hopefully) the wider and hopefully more rational members of the poulation inability to comprehend the act itself.

As for who should be on trial be it the people who raped her? Certainly not! If those individuals were nutured in an environment (be it of any form) where a member of the opposite sex (or whoever) is percieved as an insignificant 'thing' to be subjected to the horrific attack as this girl suffered and not as a fellow human being to be treated with respect. Well that 'environment' should be on trial as well. (and perhaps I should have clarified my original statement by instead of using just 'or'. I should have used 'or should we include'. I hope that clarifies my point?)

Or horrific acts will happen again and again and again....
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As for who should be on trial be it the people who raped her? Certainly not! If those individuals were nutured in an environment (be it of any form) where a member of the opposite sex (or whoever) is percieved as an insignificant 'thing' to be subjected to the horrific attack as this girl suffered and not as a fellow human being to be treated with respect. Well that 'environment' should be on trial as well.

Or horrific act will happen again and again and again....
I think you've got your "and" and "or" muddled up.
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Re: Indian rape case.

Another bus rape, on a 29 year old woman ( Northern Punjab )

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29-year-old woman was the only passenger on a bus as she was traveling to her village in northern Punjab state on Friday night. The driver refused to stop at her village despite her repeated pleas and drove her to a desolate location, he said.

There, the driver and the conductor took her to a building where they were joined by five friends and took turns raping her throughout the night

Also on Saturday, police arrested a 32-year-old man for allegedly raping and killing a 9-year-old girl two weeks ago in Ahmednagar district in western India, the Press Trust of India news agency reported. Her decomposed body was found on Friday.
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