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Re: Indian rape case.

Unfortunately as the Beeb article says the attitude towards girls/women starts as soon as they are born. They are not valued from the moment they leave the womb.

"These offences against women and girls are a part of the story, but the full story starts with a girl not being as welcome as a boy, from birth. When sweets are distributed at the birth of a boy, not of a girl. When the boy child is nourished more than the girl, when a girl's movements are restricted and her freedoms and choices are curtailed, when she is sent as a domestic slave to her husband's home… If a girl is accorded no value, if a girl is worth less than a boy, then it stands to reason there will be men who believe they can do what they like with them."
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It will be shown in India on NDTV at 21:00 local time.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31698154
Unfortunately, no it won't. Indian police have got an injunction against showing the film or reporting the interview.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-31710244

They seem more concerned with how she obtained the interviews than with the course of justice and how this shows these people as what they truly are.
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Leslee Udwin's film, India's Daughter, will be broadcast on Storyville on BBC Four TV.

The film is about this terrible crime, it will be shown on BBC-4, Sunday March 8th at 11pm Swiss time.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31698154
Change of programme tonight, it is starting right now on BBC Four TV, the documentary runs for 60 minutes

and no, it will not be shown in India.
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Change of programme tonight, it is starting right now on BBC Four TV, the documentary runs for 60 minutes

and no, it will not be shown in India.
As the above case shows, it wouldn't have much of an impact on the people it's directed to.
Even on death-row, the guy still thinks it was OK to rape and kill that girl.

You can't really top that.

Part of me is a bit sorry for the guy, in a weird sense.
Part of me somehow thinks impalement would be an adequate way to die for him.
But it wouldn't make his victim come to life again, so it's self-serving and pointless. And on top of it, I wouldn't want to be the one killing him.
So I just hope the friend and the family finally get some closure at some point.
Not having this guy and his lawyer on TV will certainly help with that, a bit.
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Re: Indian rape case.

The Delhi gang rape case involved a rape and fatal assault that occurred on Sunday 16 December 2012 in Munrika, a neighbourhood in South Delhi, when a 23-year-old female physiotherapy intern was gang raped, badly beaten & mutilated in a private bus in which she was traveling with a male friend. The woman had just finished her final exams: the next day she would be starting her practical work, and would not have any free time. She left the family home at 6pm with her regular boy friend to go to the cinema to see the new film "Life of Pi." At 8pm they were returning on the bus when they were attacked. She was flown to a Singapore hospital for special treatment, but died there on 29.12.2012.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_De...ment_and_death

What I find very shocking are the statements by the convicted criminals and their lawyer: that a woman out late at night (8pm ???) "is asking for it" and she should "not have resisted the rape" and that in future "raped girls will be killed, & not left to remain quiet with their shame." The defense lawyer said he would burn his own daughter to death, in front of all the family, if she behaved badly. Have they no remorse nor decency?
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The Delhi gang rape case involved a rape and fatal assault that occurred on Sunday 16 December 2012 in Munrika, a neighbourhood in South Delhi, when a 23-year-old female physiotherapy intern was gang raped, badly beaten & mutilated in a private bus in which she was traveling with a male friend. The woman had just finished her final exams: the next day she would be starting her practical work, and would not have any free time. She left the family home at 6pm with her regular boy friend to go to the cinema to see the new film "Life of Pi." At 8pm they were returning on the bus when they were attacked. She was flown to a Singapore hospital for special treatment, but died there on 29.12.2012.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_De...ment_and_death

What I find very shocking are the statements by the convicted criminals and their lawyer: that a woman out late at night (8pm ???) "is asking for it" and she should "not have resisted the rape" and that in future "raped girls will be killed, & not left to remain quiet with their shame." The defense lawyer said he would burn his own daughter to death, in front of all the family, if she behaved badly. Have they no remorse nor decency?
No, that's obvious. But until the entire culture/mind set changes in India these things will keep on happening.
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Re: Indian rape case.

And the delay from the government to award justice is not helping people get back their hopes here...

By the way here is a link to the documentary...
http://www.scoopwhoop.com/news/banne...a-documentary/
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Re: Indian rape case.

Now they're threatening action against the Beeb.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-31745138

Why don't they just hang those responsible and get it over with. It's obvious a) they're guilty and b) they would do the same again if they got the opportunity. Scum, simply scum and don't deserve to live.
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Now they're threatening action against the Beeb.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-31745138

Why don't they just hang those responsible and get it over with. It's obvious a) they're guilty and b) they would do the same again if they got the opportunity. Scum, simply scum and don't deserve to live.

The world's biggest democracy isn't as transparent as it would like to appear to be.
What else have they got to hide by this censorship?
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Re: Indian rape case.

The death penalty works miracles ... in cases like this and gives second thoughts to those contemplating anything similar.

Yes, it doesnt bring the person back to life, but makes a very good deterrent for anyone contemplating similar behaviour in the future.

An outright brutal attack with positively identified *criminals" (not an allegation that has to be proved) should result in those persons being put to death as unfit to live and function in society.

If it`s a squeemish thing about having to "cull" brute criminals, then they could be handed over to the victim`s family to deal however they will that satisfies them.

An animal that attacks a human is put to death - as unfit to function in society. Those acting like brutal mindless beasts deserve the same.
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Re: Indian rape case.

Ban the BBC hashtag being used amongst others to vent rage over the film.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-31751035
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Re: Indian rape case.

I don't know what the fuss is about really, the Indians take rape very seriously. Look how they dealt with this chap.

http://indianexpress.com/article/ind...used-to-death/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...th-street.html
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The death penalty works miracles ... in cases like this and gives second thoughts to those contemplating anything similar.

Yes, it doesnt bring the person back to life, but makes a very good deterrent for anyone contemplating similar behaviour in the future.

An outright brutal attack with positively identified *criminals" (not an allegation that has to be proved) should result in those persons being put to death as unfit to live and function in society.

If it`s a squeemish thing about having to "cull" brute criminals, then they could be handed over to the victim`s family to deal however they will that satisfies them.

An animal that attacks a human is put to death - as unfit to function in society. Those acting like brutal mindless beasts deserve the same.
There's no better proof of the fallacy of your argument than America, unfortunately.
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I don't know what the fuss is about really, the Indians take rape very seriously. Look how they dealt with this chap.

http://indianexpress.com/article/ind...used-to-death/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...th-street.html
Sounds like they were madder about him being Bangladeshi than about what he allegedly did.
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Old 06.03.2015, 10:51
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Re: Indian rape case.

Please don't blame most Indian citizens for these rape scandals, the laws and attitude of the police were very lax, but after this horrendous rape there were riots and demonstrations all over India for several days, demanding the death sentence for these rapists, which has now been brought into the law.

There is no need to go off at a tangent on EF about the US and the death penalty deterrent, is there?
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There's no better proof of the fallacy of your argument than America, unfortunately.
America? The land of lawyers. "He who has the most money buys the "best" lawyer"? .... and goes free.

I have read about what has happened in America with innocent people being accused of crimes and convicted. I am talking here about positively identified people ..... like the criminal rapist in his interview stating what he did, and saying the girl should not have fought back - that type of criminal. Plus his lawyer who openly states he`d pour petrol over his own daughter and set her on fire. Those sorts of people who commit a crime and then boast about it.

Do you not understand that without a harsh deterrent - (for DEFINITELY identified criminals who rape and kill) the crimes will just go on and on and on?

While the bleeding hearts don`t want a criminal killed, criminals will just continue to kill/maim. Why not?

Do you really believe that men who go around in gangs and attack women can be "re-habilitated"? If they can .... can they then be trusted to walk freely in society again?

Why obey laws when the law is weak and ineffective?
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Do you not understand that without a harsh deterrent - (for DEFINITELY identified criminals who rape and kill) the crimes will just go on and on and on?

While the bleeding hearts don`t want a criminal killed, criminals will just continue to kill/maim. Why not?

Do you really believe that men who go around in gangs and attack women can be "re-habilitated"? If they can .... can they then be trusted to walk freely in society again?

Why obey laws when the law is weak and ineffective?
Shame that you think the world works in binary and there's this magic switch that you have to throw to reverse whatever current situation isn't working out. It doesn't work that simply.

Here's the good news. Most men understand the concept of consensual sex. A very small minority don't.

We live in this world where glamor, sex and sexual innuendo is omnipresent. It's on the cover of magazines, it's on TV, in every form of internet media and pornography is now so acceptable in (most) western societies that it's difficult to imagine re-censoring the past. Most people are able to satisfy their quest for relationships, physical closeness and sexual intercourse. It's entirely normal and fundamentally vital to the existence of our race.

But right out there on the fringes of society are the few who wantonly prey on women because either they can, or because they are unable to step out of their inhibitions to date women in a normal way. They use their physical strength to satisfy their sexual urges and care less about the trauma and possible pregnancies their acts create.

And you know what? We all have the ability to lose sight of the potentially thin line between fantasy and reality. Couples play out fantasy rape scenarios, men boast of their sexual conquests in states of alcohol or drug induced haze and in the morning may not even remember what happened. Rape and sexual violence against all humans has been a part of mankind's history ever since we walked this planet. It is the ultimate act of humiliation on the one side and hormone induced conquest on the other.

This is not the same sex that develops between two loving partners who wish to merge their energies into each other and share their hearts.

So you want to kill the rapists? And the murderers of course. You'll be lynching more than thirty something Bangladeshis, you'll have the crowd dragging out fathers, grandfathers, brothers, uncles and cousins, because domestic sexual violence is far more prevalent that random rape. But fine, you kill them all. Mob rule. You can have TV publicized executions during the commercial breaks in the middle of the lottery draw.

Or you can accept that the laws of the land require adherence to work. Anarchy is a piss poor form of ruling nations. You can look after those that are being bullied, violated or just don't seem to be socially connected. That might even be you. A society that feels motivated to joining a lynching mob filming it as they go on their cell phones could also look after their neighbors in need before trouble starts. Equality at the workplace, not joining in with sexual innuendos poorly disguised as jokes, accepting women as equals, not as objects.

Because understanding the cause is the only way to treat the disease. Your symptom oriented solution is like putting a band aid on a broken leg. Devoid of understanding.
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Shame that you think the world works in binary and there's this magic switch that you have to throw to reverse whatever current situation isn't working out. It doesn't work that simply.

Here's the good news. Most men understand the concept of consensual sex. A very small minority don't.

We live in this world where glamor, sex and sexual innuendo is omnipresent. It's on the cover of magazines, it's on TV, in every form of internet media and pornography is now so acceptable in (most) western societies that it's difficult to imagine re-censoring the past. Most people are able to satisfy their quest for relationships, physical closeness and sexual intercourse. It's entirely normal and fundamentally vital to the existence of our race.

But right out there on the fringes of society are the few who wantonly prey on women because either they can, or because they are unable to step out of their inhibitions to date women in a normal way. They use their physical strength to satisfy their sexual urges and care less about the trauma and possible pregnancies their acts create.

And you know what? We all have the ability to lose sight of the potentially thin line between fantasy and reality. Couples play out fantasy rape scenarios, men boast of their sexual conquests in states of alcohol or drug induced haze and in the morning may not even remember what happened. Rape and sexual violence against all humans has been a part of mankind's history ever since we walked this planet. It is the ultimate act of humiliation on the one side and hormone induced conquest on the other.

This is not the same sex that develops between two loving partners who wish to merge their energies into each other and share their hearts.

So you want to kill the rapists? And the murderers of course. You'll be lynching more than thirty something Bangladeshis, you'll have the crowd dragging out fathers, grandfathers, brothers, uncles and cousins, because domestic sexual violence is far more prevalent that random rape. But fine, you kill them all. Mob rule. You can have TV publicized executions during the commercial breaks in the middle of the lottery draw.

Or you can accept that the laws of the land require adherence to work. Anarchy is a piss poor form of ruling nations. You can look after those that are being bullied, violated or just don't seem to be socially connected. That might even be you. A society that feels motivated to joining a lynching mob filming it as they go on their cell phones could also look after their neighbors in need before trouble starts. Equality at the workplace, not joining in with sexual innuendos poorly disguised as jokes, accepting women as equals, not as objects.

Because understanding the cause is the only way to treat the disease. Your symptom oriented solution is like putting a band aid on a broken leg. Devoid of understanding.
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Re: Indian rape case.

Never forget, rape and sexual abuse are a form of violence and control. That is where all thoughts about these abhorent crimes should start.

If anyone wants to know about terrorism, talk to a sexual abuse survivor, as they have often survived years of terror. Domestic violence survivors can also talk about terrorism from first hand knowledge.

In this thread there was a comment about discrimination against girls starting when they are born. Wrong - it starts as soon as it is known the baby will be a girl. India is seeing a disgustingly large increase in the abortion of girls as they are not wanted. China has had that 'unofficial policy' for many years. Millions of females never make it to be born.
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Re: Indian rape case.

Sam Ali seems to be p**cho

India is great nation and post of some f**l is not going to affect our nation

Its pool of billions and rape may have happened, but is a rare case out of billions of people.


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