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Old 11.01.2013, 08:54
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Tourists held by Greek police as illegal migrants

We had considered going to Greece this spring, but I think now we'll choose another destination.

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Old 11.01.2013, 18:51
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Re: Tourists held by Greek police as illegal migrants

I'd want to never visit again a country where something like this would have happened to me, even I understand the Greek government needs to control the illegal immigration they must train their police forces to do it in such maner to do not damage the tourism image of the Country.
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I'd want to never visit again a country where something like this would have happened to me, even I understand the Greek government needs to control the illegal immigration they must train their police forces to do it in such maner to do not damage the tourism image of the Country.
You are wright.I am a Greek and I see that everything and everybody in Greece are operating in an erational and panic way.Concerning the police they have changed dramatically.They have hired young enthousiasts rambo
who can not judge many aspects.They thing they are in war and full of authority.
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Re: Tourists held by Greek police as illegal migrants

That was horrible. Shocked that they could act like that even when identification is shown.
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Old 12.01.2013, 17:52
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Re: Tourists held by Greek police as illegal migrants

I wonder, are there still people illegally migrating to Greece? What does the police think that illegal immigrants plan to do in a country with 26.8% unemployment?
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Re: Tourists held by Greek police as illegal migrants

A failed economy, huge debt and harsh austerity cuts, mass unemployment, official corruption plus intimidation of and acts of violence against foreigners.

Sounds like a lovely place for a visit.

What comes next? Brown shirts?

The immigrants are trying to get into the rest of Europe via Greece but are blocked at the outgoing border controls.

Our soaring world population is simply not sustainable.
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Re: Tourists held by Greek police as illegal migrants

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/18617024

It's a dangerous world to have holidays...
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A failed economy, huge debt and harsh austerity cuts, mass unemployment, official corruption plus intimidation of and acts of violence against foreigners.

Sounds like a lovely place for a visit.

What comes next? Brown shirts?

The immigrants are trying to get into the rest of Europe via Greece but are blocked at the outgoing border controls.

Our soaring world population is simply not sustainable.
Yes, Yes, Yes, except for austerity, this has been Greece for the last several decades. Please feel free to bash their tourism, which has never had anything to do with any of the other details.
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It's a dangerous world to have holidays...
Those are cases of drunken people doing things that wouldn't be a very good idea at home either.
The locals seem to have had enough of those.
The people mentioned in the original article are a different story.
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It's always has been, a dangerous world to have holidays, is something new about this?
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Yes, Yes, Yes, except for austerity, this has been Greece for the last several decades. Please feel free to bash their tourism, which has never had anything to do with any of the other details.
Try explaining that to the tourists who were arrested and beaten up.

"Sorry mate but you didn't look like a tourist. Next time wear white socks and sandals!".
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Try explaining that to the tourists who were arrested and beaten up.

"Sorry mate but you didn't look like a tourist. Next time wear white socks and sandals!".
Yes because an article in a news website is concrete, and no one should ever doubt that the person being interviewed is not telling 100% the truth. This story sounds like it could go either way.

I would not want to be assaulted, and hope who ever has done wrong here is punished, but there is often times guilty people out there who will think of all sorts of accusation of police "brutality". This is not a case of a judicial verdict, and I don't understand so many people putting so much stock into only one side of a story.

A Greek police officer tried to talk to someone. Their reasoning was based on hearsay, and felt that made it OK to ignore the request of the police officer. It's not Ok if the cop hit him, but that is not sure it happened.

It's amazing that people who have such little info, about one isolated incident, will go about blaming a whole country. Ooops, my bad, I forgot about the endless comments on the EF complaints corner. Carry on being ignorant.
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Yes because an article in a news website is concrete, and no one should ever doubt that the person being interviewed is not telling 100% the truth. This story sounds like it could go either way.

I would not want to be assaulted, and hope who ever has done wrong here is punished, but there is often times guilty people out there who will think of all sorts of accusation of police "brutality". This is not a case of a judicial verdict, and I don't understand so many people putting so much stock into only one side of a story.

A Greek police officer tried to talk to someone. Their reasoning was based on hearsay, and felt that made it OK to ignore the request of the police officer. It's not Ok if the cop hit him, but that is not sure it happened.

It's amazing that people who have such little info, about one isolated incident, will go about blaming a whole country. Ooops, my bad, I forgot about the endless comments on the EF complaints corner. Carry on being ignorant.
Wouldn't it be great if we could verify everything in person that was written in the news?

Since we can't, I will happily carry on being ignorant by choosing to believe this particular news article.

And you can carry on believing that the attack on the Korean tourist was one isolated incident.

For those considering a trip to Athens, this is what the US embassy in Athens had to say on 16th November 2012:

"The U.S. Embassy informs U.S. citizens that the “Threats To Safety and Security” section of the Greece Country Specific Information page has been updated to inform U.S. citizens of a rise in unprovoked harassment and violent attacks against persons who, because of their complexion, are perceived to be foreign migrants. U.S. citizens most at risk are those of African, Asian, Hispanic, or Middle Eastern descent in Athens and other major cities."

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/gr...age_greece.pdf
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Those god damned swiss police,uh wait a minute
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We had considered going to Greece this spring, but I think now we'll choose another destination.

Article here.
I met a Greek guy in Switzerland that after military service claimed all Turks should be shot. I found it oddly disconcerting... not that he would say it, but that he was surprised I was offended even though I'm not from Turkey.
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Wouldn't it be great if we could verify everything in person that was written in the news?

Since we can't, I will happily carry on being ignorant by choosing to believe this particular news article.

And you can carry on believing that the attack on the Korean tourist was one isolated incident.

For those considering a trip to Athens, this is what the US embassy in Athens had to say on 16th November 2012:

"The U.S. Embassy informs U.S. citizens that the “Threats To Safety and Security” section of the Greece Country Specific Information page has been updated to inform U.S. citizens of a rise in unprovoked harassment and violent attacks against persons who, because of their complexion, are perceived to be foreign migrants. U.S. citizens most at risk are those of African, Asian, Hispanic, or Middle Eastern descent in Athens and other major cities."

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/gr...age_greece.pdf
Have you ever been to the US Embassy and read the book they publish every month on travel warnings? This very text you are quoting from? Basically if you read the whole thing, you will find it ain't safe to leave the USA. The book is a monster. They have travel warnings for almost every country in the world.

Do you think that in AMERICA that foreigners are safe from racist attacks? Think again. This happens everywhere. And to single out Greece as some over the top dangerous location is total nonsense.

You have the guy admitting to not handing over proof of ID and walking away from a police officer doing a control. Please the world needs more ignorant people.
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I met a Greek guy in Switzerland that after military service claimed all Turks should be shot. I found it oddly disconcerting... not that he would say it, but that he was surprised I was offended even though I'm not from Turkey.
Not that I agree with what the guy said, but do you know any history at all between the Greeks and the Turks? Give or take the last 4000 years? The last 100 will do.

This "situation" for example... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus
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Have you ever been to the US Embassy and read the book they publish every month on travel warnings? This very text you are quoting from? Basically if you read the whole thing, you will find it ain't safe to leave the USA. The book is a monster. They have travel warnings for almost every country in the world.

Do you think that in AMERICA that foreigners are safe from racist attacks? Think again. This happens everywhere. And to single out Greece as some over the top dangerous location is total nonsense.

You have the guy admitting to not handing over proof of ID and walking away from a police officer doing a control. Please the world needs more ignorant people.
About "Have you ever been to the US Embassy and read the book they publish every month on travel warnings?"

& for which other EU countries do they have a warning as specific & serious as this ? - " Greece Country Specific Information page has been updated to inform U.S. citizens of a rise in unprovoked harassment and violent attacks against persons..... "
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Not that I agree with what the guy said, but do you know any history at all between the Greeks and the Turks? Give or take the last 4000 years? The last 100 will do.

This "situation" for example... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus
I find racism due to cultural reasons to be just "RACISM."
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I find racism due to cultural reasons to be just "RACISM."
Oh, but you don't know this part of the world. The eternal rivalry between neighbours (starts with who was there first..) are not unheard-of and expressing hate towards the "others" is considered (by quite a large percent of population) to be an act of patriotism, but not so paying your taxes for instance...
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