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The Gospel of Violence

I found this video very interesting:
http://www.nytimes.com/video/2013/01...?smid=pl-share

Now was not this Kony video last year one from an US evangelical group collecting funds for Uganda?
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Re: The Gospel of Violence

sickening is all I have to say.

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Re: The Gospel of Violence

no offense, but evangelical southern baptists ain't even making a Top 100,000 list of the problems facing much of Africa. as well-intentioned as it may have been, this may be one of the most short-sighted and borderline inane videos I have seen in quite a while.
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no offense, but evangelical southern baptists ain't even making a Top 100,000 list of the problems facing much of Africa. as well-intentioned as it may have been, this may be one of the most short-sighted and borderline inane videos I have seen in quite a while.
Yes but they are adding a very dangerous one and the issue is that they are increasing their influence in these parts of the country.
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no offense, but evangelical southern baptists ain't even making a Top 100,000 list of the problems facing much of Africa. as well-intentioned as it may have been, this may be one of the most short-sighted and borderline inane videos I have seen in quite a while.
Unlike most of the political fringe garbage in the west is there on tiny twist to it: I do not care what the most extreme 5% of the US think, because their ideas won't make it into laws anyway... but if they focus their attention on a small and poor piece of Africa can they indeed influence it.

Just to make sure we all watched the video to the crucial part: The law for a DEATH penaly for gays is on it's way in Uganda and it looks like it might become reality. That seems to get worse than say Saudi Arabia...
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Yes but they are adding a very dangerous one and the issue is that they are increasing their influence in these parts of the country.
I don't know how much they are really increasing their influence in Africa, since missionary work has long been a staple of evangelical Christians (as well as Mormons). and even then, I am not really convinced that the influence of evangelical Christians (or Mormons) really represents something worse than 99% of the other influences in many of the countries (and Uganda has been overwhelmingly Christian for several decades, I think).

again, if the dude who made the video is genuinely interested in changing the situation in Uganda, there are acres upon acres of trees he can start barking up before having to worry about religious freaks. I don't mean to downplay the hatred and ignorance that comes along with many evangelical Christians, btw, I just don't think it would register as a pimple on the proverbial dog's ass in terms of the issues facing countries like Uganda.
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there are acres upon acres of trees he can start barking up before having to worry about religious freaks.
I completely disagree: The worst thing Africa has on offer in the last years is the genocide that happened in parts of Sudan - driven by Muslim extremists fighting holy war... In Nigeria are Christians and Muslims going at each other and if they are not are some of the most extreme examples of violence there driven by religious leaders - preaching against anything from gays to "witches"... and it does not even matter which religion they follow as you find nutters on all sides.

I'd say that most conflicts there had in the past years strong religious aspects and that religious freaks are behind a decent cut of the atrocities that happen there... remember that Kony guy? His army is called "Lord's Resistance Army" and he wanted to establish a theocraty in Uganda...
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I completely disagree: The worst thing Africa has on offer in the last years is the genocide that happened in parts of Sudan - driven by Muslim extremists fighting holy war... In Nigeria are Christians and Muslims going at each other and if they are not are some of the most extreme examples of violence there driven by religious leaders - preaching against anything from gays to "witches"... and it does not even matter which religion they follow as you find nutters on all sides.

I'd say that most conflicts there had in the past years strong religious aspects and that religious freaks are behind a decent cut of the atrocities that happen there... remember that Kony guy? His army is called "Lord's Resistance Army" and he wanted to establish a theocraty in Uganda...
the point of the dude's video wasn't the general danger of religious zealots, it was the specific danger of middle-aged couples from Topeka, Kansas throwing around bibles on missionary trips.
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I found this video very interesting:
http://www.nytimes.com/video/2013/01...?smid=pl-share

Now was not this Kony video last year one from an US evangelical group collecting funds for Uganda?
Interesting ? No, shocking that the USA is becoming the heart of terrorism. I hope however that it in reality is just some particular places in the USA. If it just is Topeka/Kansas, alright. But it is more than it is terrible
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I completely disagree: The worst thing Africa has on offer in the last years is the genocide that happened in parts of Sudan - driven by Muslim extremists fighting holy war... In Nigeria are Christians and Muslims going at each other and if they are not are some of the most extreme examples of violence there driven by religious leaders - preaching against anything from gays to "witches"... and it does not even matter which religion they follow as you find nutters on all sides.

I'd say that most conflicts there had in the past years strong religious aspects and that religious freaks are behind a decent cut of the atrocities that happen there... remember that Kony guy? His army is called "Lord's Resistance Army" and he wanted to establish a theocraty in Uganda...
No, the conflicts of Darfur (West-Sudan) and Northern Nigeria are regional ones. But the anti-tolerance fanatism described is a trans-continental one. And to be clear, in Nigeria, it is not that Christians and Muslims are "going at each other" but that some Muslim radicalists in some parts of Nigeria want to eridacate Christians from their areas.

In South Sudan, the point was that the Christian South Sudanese wanted to secede and now ARE another country. Quite officially.

In Darfur, the mass immigration from Tchad alarmed the main part of Sudan. President Bashir took measures, in his usual style, to push them back into Tchad.
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the point of the dude's video wasn't the general danger of religious zealots, it was the specific danger of middle-aged couples from Topeka, Kansas throwing around bibles on missionary trips.
Perhaps we didn't watch the same video. But to me the point was that middle-aged couples (and others not middle-aged nor from Topeka) were sending money to Uganda where it is being used to fund violent campaigns against homosexuals.

Hence this threads subject "The Gospel of Violence". Actually the video's title is "Gospel of Intolerance"...
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Unlike most of the political fringe garbage in the west is there on tiny twist to it: I do not care what the most extreme 5% of the US think, because their ideas won't make it into laws anyway... but if they focus their attention on a small and poor piece of Africa can they indeed influence it.

Just to make sure we all watched the video to the crucial part: The law for a DEATH penaly for gays is on it's way in Uganda and it looks like it might become reality. That seems to get worse than say Saudi Arabia...
Has very little to do with evangelicals though, it's a cultural issue.
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Perhaps we didn't watch the same video. But to me the point was that middle-aged couples (and others not middle-aged nor from Topeka) were sending money to Uganda where it is being used to fund violent campaigns against homosexuals.

Hence this threads subject "The Gospel of Violence". Actually the video's title is "Gospel of Intolerance"...
well then there seems to a perfectly efficient solution - stop sending money.
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