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Anonymous takes on US Department of Justice

Anybody else following Anonymous's latest "Operation Last Resort"? Riveting stuff! In response to the death of Aaron Swartz, they took over the US website for federal sentencing (posting a grandiose video outlining their motivation and plans) and are demanding nothing less than reform of the US justice system or else they will send forth into the world "multiple warheads" of damning classified information. Better than fiction...

Yes, I know they are vigilantes... some would say terrorists, but they do make otherwise untouchable parties who answer to nobody quake in their boots. Dying to see how this all pans out.

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anything that is peaceful and that encourages transparency is always a plus to me.
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anything that is peaceful and that encourages transparency is always a plus to me.
That is more or less my thought on the matter. Of course, one could also argue that forcibly taking over or taking down a government website is not a peaceful action at all.

When it comes to Anonymous, people often bring up that Thomas Jefferson quote "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. " If this is true, how else can the people get the fear and respect of their government without resorting to bloody revolt? It is supposed to be through the vote, but I doubt anybody believes that that is truly under the control of "the people" anymore. So with that in mind, I say good on you Anonymous.
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That is more or less my thought on the matter. Of course, one could also argue that forcibly taking over or taking down a government website is not a peaceful action at all.

When it comes to Anonymous, people often bring up that Thomas Jefferson quote "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. " If this is true, how else can the people get the fear and respect of their government without resorting to bloody revolt? It is supposed to be through the vote, but I doubt anybody believes that that is truly under the control of "the people" anymore. So with that in mind, I say good on you Anonymous.
too many people have forgotten that, in the US, the people own the website. there is no such thing as a government website, or at least there shouldn't be. charging a 26 year old kid with what would have effectively been life in prison for illegal downloading of research documents is something that really needs to be evaluated closely, that's for sure.

I have no problem with what Anonymous is doing here, candidly we would have far less need for most of our classified documents if we weren't so busy fighting fake wars all over the globe.
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Re: Anonymous takes on US Department of Justice

ussc.gov is actually down at the time of writing.
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Re: Anonymous takes on US Department of Justice

I like most of Anonymous' manifesto in response to Aaron Swartz' death and i like the idea of batty, despotic judges and prosecutors being forced to their knees and made to get a taste of their own medicine. About anonymous being terrorists...one could say that, in many respects, those in power -not only in the US but pretty much all over the world- have become the subversives and often those in the Anti-NWO movement, who are made out to be subversives, are the ones with noble intentions (which is not to say all politicians are necessarily bad people)
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Re: Anonymous takes on US Department of Justice

Operation American Freedom

... as titled from Anonymous is the call for Americans to pull together and...
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The time for action is now. It is time to remind the government that we, the American people are the ones who hold the power of this country, not them. thee American people have realized, that the current government is no longer functional, Our economy is unstable, our representatives uncooperative, and our system, destroyed. ...

... To rebuild our government , we must first destroy it.Our time for democracy is here, Our time for resolution is here, This is America's time for revolution, To restore our constitutional rights, to once again, be free Therefore, Anonymous along with thee American people have decided to openly declare war on the United States government. This is a call to arms. We call upon the Citizens of the United States to stand beside us in overthrowing this corrupted body and call upon a new era. We refuse to be a police state, we refuse to be brutalized and dehumanized by the very people our tax dollars fund to protect our cities and streets, we will not allow the government to control our destiny, our right to build a life for ourselves. We demand freedom from government control, taxation, repossession and death. You will not come to our doors and take our guns, our property, you will not force the citizens of this great country to participate in the unlawful act of government mandated healthcare. We the people refuse to put in your control our health, our bodies, our minds, our lives. We will not grant permission for the government to deploy drones over our homes and communities. We must end the federal reserve. A private central bank should not issue our currency, set interest rates and run our economy. Rather, we need to return control over the currency to the American people where it belongs. You, the United States government have overstepped your privileges for the last time. Our peaceful actions, patience and restraint have been demonstrated as we watched and waited for our Congress and Representatives to speak for the American citizens and protect us from the tyrant that sits in the oval office and happily strips the American people of our rights, one by one, executive order by executive order. We have waited long enough. The Declaration of Independence establishes the supremacy of the People and the Right and Duty to defend the Rights of the People over the Acts of the Government. Our Constitution provides for as many protections as possible to ensure that the Government is subservient to the People and only exists for the purpose of serving the People.
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The United States Government is seeking to end the constitution; this will endanger thee American people and we will not stand by and watch while this government of deception prepares to rip away from us all of the freedoms that our forefathers granted us, the freedoms that were fought for, bled for, that our ancestors died for. We must ensure that blood was not shed in vein, that their lives were indeed lost for a great nation that is not yet lost. We refuse to let the United States government destroy our way of life.
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That is more or less my thought on the matter. Of course, one could also argue that forcibly taking over or taking down a government website is not a peaceful action at all.

When it comes to Anonymous, people often bring up that Thomas Jefferson quote "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. " If this is true, how else can the people get the fear and respect of their government without resorting to bloody revolt? It is supposed to be through the vote, but I doubt anybody believes that that is truly under the control of "the people" anymore. So with that in mind, I say good on you Anonymous.
Anonymous was around for 10 years. What are the results of their activity? Was anything positive achieved? I couldn't find any information that Anonymous made any government or organization fear or respect them...
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Re: Anonymous takes on US Department of Justice

Yay for libertarian nutjobberry!

Just what any country needs in a time of crisis!
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Yay for libertarian nutjobberry!

Just what any country needs in a time of crisis!

I don't think liberation is the right word. Yes, timing isn't the best... still there is some form of action required to clean things up in DC and the states. A call to arms is senseless. A revolt or civil war is outright ignorant - any violence whatsoever (enough examples of that in the world as we speak/type).

Another video I started to watch... but then closed the window due to poor presentation tactics and a camera man with Parkinson... claimed the US Inc. is only a small group of people and that Washington DC is to the USA like the Vatican is to Italy. Ever heard of anything like that?
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Anonymous was around for 10 years. What are the results of their activity? Was anything positive achieved? I couldn't find any information that Anonymous made any government or organization fear or respect them...
well, for one thing MIT has initiated an internal investigation of its involvement in the prosecution of Swartz, the research organizations whose materials were illegally downloaded have publicly disavowed their involvement, and there are calls from the Senate for an independent investigation into the DOJ's role in the Swartz prosecution. it is unfortunate that all of this is happening after the death of a young man, but at least it is an indication that people are taking notice - and that is something they rarely do absent the right kind of publicity.
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Anonymous was around for 10 years. What are the results of their activity? Was anything positive achieved? I couldn't find any information that Anonymous made any government or organization fear or respect them...
True, they have been around for awhile. Some of their actions have been laudable but pretty small scale or random (taking on Church of Scientology or keeping Westboro Baptist Church from picketing Newton). From what I have been reading, however, they have stepped up their game significantly since 2010. Their involvement in the Arab Spring movement, Wiki links and the brutal response to HB Gary (anti hacking firm) trying to take them on have made corporations and governments sit up and take notice. Good or bad, they are being treated as a serious threat by government agencies internationally, as one can see in the the following excerpt from a NATO Report on Information and National Security:

http://www.nato-pa.int/default.asp?SHORTCUT=2443

"One of the most prominent group of on-line hackers - Anonymous - led a campaign against Iran, Australia and the Church of Scientology.[32] Their most prominent campaign, however, took off in 2010 after WikiLeaks had released the US diplomatic cables. In its on-line seven-point manifesto, Anonymous announced its engagement in “the first infowar ever fought” and named PayPal as its enemy.[33] What followed were DDoS attacks against Mastercard, Visa, PayPal, and other companies that had decided to stop providing services for WikiLeaks (they used to administer online donations for the site), against the Swiss bank PostFinance, that had earlier closed Julian Assange’s bank account, and against the Swedish Prosecution Service.[34] The group also attacked Amazon.com, which was previously renting server space to WikiLeaks.[35]
25. Observers note that Anonymous is becoming more and more sophisticated and could potentially hack into sensitive government, military, and corporate files. According to reports in February 2011, Anonymous demonstrated its ability to do just that. After WikiLeaks announced its plan of releasing information about a major bank, the US Chamber of Commerce and Bank of America reportedly hired the data intelligence company HBGary Federal to protect their servers and attack any adversaries of these institutions. In response, Anonymous hacked servers of HBGary Federal’s sister company and hijacked the CEO’s Twitter account. Today, the ad hoc international group of hackers and activists is said to have thousands of operatives and has no set rules or membership.[36] It remains to be seen how much time Anonymous has for pursuing such paths. The longer these attacks persist the more likely countermeasures will be developed, implemented, the groups will be infiltrated and perpetrators prosecuted."[
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I don't think liberation is the right word.
Neither do I. The word DB used was libertarian, not liberation.
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Re: Anonymous takes on US Department of Justice

Right, my bad
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