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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Romania

So I heard that Tesco in the UK need to get rid of their horse-burgers and horse-lasagne somehow so they've started selling them in their petrol stations with 50% off when you buy petrol or diesel at the same time. The deal's called "Only Fuel & Horses" !!
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Nobody has attempted to answer this one. So I attempted to do so myself - and perhaps we have to look back to history and 'blame' the early land enclosures that sent the peasants into towns very early on, and England's very early industrialisation - much earlier than the above mentioned countries, which remained much more rural until much later. Perhaps in England, the majority lost contact with food growing and raising such a long time ago, in industrial areas at least- and lost the close relationship between growing/raising and cooking? And as life was tough in towns for workers, cheap bought food became paramount for survival. What do you think? Again, serious question and certainly no criticism intended- as you know I do and always will, love England and spend much time there and lived there very happily, eating very well, all my adult life.

The whole debacle is such a total mess - and it will take weeks and not longer, and perhaps never, to find who this web of fraud and deceit was woven together. It does seem very easy and unfair to just blame 'Rumania', that is for sure. Let's hope heads will roll, and not just the horses'. If it makes us think a bit more about what we eat, and how our lifestyle and choices impacts food quality - maybe a good thing. Apologies for the long post + link - but the whole thing is connected somehow.
While I think you've got part of it right, I think part lies in the same ol thing I tend to bang on about often: Greedy rich people and corporations. In this end, they get ya coming and going, and everywhere between.

So, the wealthy people, as your post points out (maybe without explicitly saying so) own the land, so poor folks get pushed into villages and cities where they have no place to garden or raise livestock for themselves. Understand this: they make it so you "CAN'T" do for yourself.

Now they've got you living in the cities, working for them. Paying crap wages while working you to all sorts of crazy hours. Now you not only don't have any land to grow things on, you also don't have any time to do anything about it, even if you have a small patch.

Finally, since they've got you working crazy hours AND they're paying you crap wages AND you have to buy food that someone else has grown and someone else has prepared... they work out the most profitable deal for themselves. Of course, this means that their interest is in making sure the quality is only as good as it has to be, for what you can afford to pay (which again, is dictated by the wages THEY pay you in the first place).

Yep.

Oh, yeah. And, not only do you not have time to grow your own garden, or raise your own food animals, after generations of this "lifestyle" evolving, you also no longer have time to cook foods properly a good bit of the time. So now they can use even cheaper products (both meat and vegetable, and mysterious concoctions which are neither) because it's all mixed together and looks nothing like any living thing anyhow, and their profits grow even more... and they cackle the whole way to the bank.
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Blame the shoppers who buy 99p ready meals in supermarkets instead of shopping at their local butcher
Consumers should be able to buy what they want from where they want and expect to get what it states in the ingredients.
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Consumers should be able to buy what they want from where they want and expect to get what it states in the ingredients.
Most people don't read the labels anyway - and of those who do, most don't care.
Why else would somebody buy most of the stuff sold in a modern supermarket?

It's a lost cause. You can only look out for yourself.
OTOH, it's pretty depressing going shopping and having to consider "Now, how can they possibly mess up this?" each time you put something in the basket...
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Most people don't read the labels anyway - and of those who do, most don't care.
Why else would somebody buy most of the stuff sold in a modern supermarket?

It's a lost cause. You can only look out for yourself.
OTOH, it's pretty depressing going shopping and having to consider "Now, how can they possibly mess up this?" each time you put something in the basket...
Why do I need to read the label? Findus lasagne has it in bold letter on the front.

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While I think you've got part of it right, I think part lies in the same ol thing I tend to bang on about often: Greedy rich people and corporations. In this end, they get ya coming and going, and everywhere between.

So, the wealthy people, as your post points out (maybe without explicitly saying so) own the land, so poor folks get pushed into villages and cities where they have no place to garden or raise livestock for themselves. Understand this: they make it so you "CAN'T" do for yourself.

Now they've got you living in the cities, working for them. Paying crap wages while working you to all sorts of crazy hours. Now you not only don't have any land to grow things on, you also don't have any time to do anything about it, even if you have a small patch.

Finally, since they've got you working crazy hours AND they're paying you crap wages AND you have to buy food that someone else has grown and someone else has prepared... they work out the most profitable deal for themselves. Of course, this means that their interest is in making sure the quality is only as good as it has to be, for what you can afford to pay (which again, is dictated by the wages THEY pay you in the first place).

Yep.

Oh, yeah. And, not only do you not have time to grow your own garden, or raise your own food animals, after generations of this "lifestyle" evolving, you also no longer have time to cook foods properly a good bit of the time. So now they can use even cheaper products (both meat and vegetable, and mysterious concoctions which are neither) because it's all mixed together and looks nothing like any living thing anyhow, and their profits grow even more... and they cackle the whole way to the bank.
Some historical facts, true. But why do we have to dig that deep? There are rules and regulations, norms of safety, quality standards, consumers protection laws etc. etc. etc. even for that "crap" food we eat today. Why haven't they been respected?
And btw, in some places population density is simply too high for this dream of every family having own land parcel and growing a few chickens and lettuces... It will be even worse in 50 years. We might even long for such quality goodies as horse meat from Romania. (which, so far the inspections reveal, was sold to the French in big parts - carcases - and under the name "horse meat")
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Worst case scenario is that hunting would be banned in England and all those cocker spaniels would be redundant
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Worst case scenario is that hunting would be banned in England and all those cocker spaniels would be redundant
I hope they will not be found in my horsemeat lasagna back home in Romania, mister!
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Worst case scenario is that hunting would be banned in England and all those cocker spaniels would be redundant
Mostly beagles actually and I think there are other uses for them.(if one of the smoking threads is to be believed)
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Cal means horse in Romanian
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Mostly beagles actually and I think there are other uses for them.(if one of the smoking threads is to be believed)
They can't be that bad if in some parts of the world dogmeat is part of the traditional cuisine, no?
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Old 13.02.2013, 16:12
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

OK, some jokes for you guys
  • Horse walks into a bar. Barman says "sorry mate, we don't serve food in here"
  • What do you call a burnt Tesco burger? Black Beauty!
  • Food scandal for vegetarians: radish found to be up to 100% horseradish!
  • Breaking news: Findus fish fingers test positive for 60% seahorse!
  • Told my mate I had a hot date with an Italian Stallion - sounds a lot better than saying I'm sitting at home eating a Findus lasagne for one!

More to be found at the quality daily rag, the daily mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ck-Beauty.html
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Consumers should be able to buy what they want from where they want and expect to get what it states in the ingredients.
That is true. What I meant is that the demand for cheap produce has fuelled the temptation to cut corners. Yes, that is wrong but if their wasn't the demand, these sort of situations would probably not happen.
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Old 13.02.2013, 17:51
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That is true. What I meant is that the demand for cheap produce has fuelled the temptation to cut corners. Yes, that is wrong but if their wasn't the demand, these sort of situations would probably not happen.
That's true to a certain extent but the large supermarkets and their suppliers have always has a bit of a Steve Jobs attitude to their products and will invent new products to create new markets and demand where there was none before.
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Cant be arsed to read the whole thread but lets spread the rumour that dog is involved. Boy that would stir things up
Actually I'm having a nice horse steak for dinner
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Seems like more Britons have begun tasting horsemeat.

The Age, AU

Speciality meat suppliers in Britain have seen a surge in sales of horse burgers, with a scandal over the discovery of horsemeat in beef burgers and ready meals apparently piquing the curiosity of some shoppers.

Viewed as a delicacy in some European countries, in South America and in east Asia, horsemeat is generally not eaten in Britain where a horse loving public has traditionally viewed the idea of consuming it with some distaste.

For some the idea of eating horse remains abhorrent.

"For many horse owners, eating horsemeat is as repulsive a concept as eating cat or dog," said Victoria Spicer, editor of Horse & Country TV.

"The horse has been an integral part of Britain's history and culture, and we owe our equine friends much more than this."
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Actually I'm having a nice horse steak for dinner
We as well!

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Some historical facts, true. But why do we have to dig that deep? There are rules and regulations, norms of safety, quality standards, consumers protection laws etc. etc. etc. even for that "crap" food we eat today. Why haven't they been respected?
And btw, in some places population density is simply too high for this dream of every family having own land parcel and growing a few chickens and lettuces... It will be even worse in 50 years. We might even long for such quality goodies as horse meat from Romania. (which, so far the inspections reveal, was sold to the French in big parts - carcases - and under the name "horse meat")
Why haven't the rules been respected? Well, because they could get away with it for a while (who knows how long it's been going on without being caught) AND make a huge profit, of course.
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OK, some jokes for you guys
  • Horse walks into a bar. Barman says "sorry mate, we don't serve food in here"
  • What do you call a burnt Tesco burger? Black Beauty!
  • Food scandal for vegetarians: radish found to be up to 100% horseradish!
  • Breaking news: Findus fish fingers test positive for 60% seahorse!
  • Told my mate I had a hot date with an Italian Stallion - sounds a lot better than saying I'm sitting at home eating a Findus lasagne for one!
And, they're off...seriously though, we've got to call a halter all the pony jokes.
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If you bought those at the Coop shop, and that you don't like Horse meat, you can bring them back...



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