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Old 14.02.2013, 20:22
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Spanghero appears to be the culprit but denies it.

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French consumer affairs minister Benoit Hamon said the meat left Romania clearly and correctly labelled as horse. It was afterwards that it was relabelled as beef.

"From the investigation, it would seem that the first agent or actor in this network who stamped 'beef' on horsemeat from Romania was Spanghero," Mr Hamon said.

Investigation suggests adulteration was not accidental but the work of a criminal conspiracy.

There was "no reason to doubt the good faith" of the Romanian abattoir that originally provided the meat, Mr Hamon added.

The French government believes that the 'fraud' went on for six months and involved around 750 tonnes of meat.

The investigation says some blame may rest with Comigel, which made the ready meals sold around Europe.

Another link: http://www.france24.com/en/20130214-...horsemeat-bill ( with bills showing that they ordered and paid for horsemeat )
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Well, finally some things came to light. But I still wonder if this is all that we should know or it's a lot more. Tons of horse meat are coming from outside E.U. (Mexico and Canada were brought up, Arab countries anyone? they have horses too )...and I started to suspect that replacing beef with horse it's an older practice, and they were only discovered now.

I will become a vegetarian from now on. Or buy my own pig and chickens and grow them in my garden..
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Old 14.02.2013, 21:37
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Well...you can start blaming the French now

After you apologize to the Romanians


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I am sure there is a whole lot more

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Well, finally some things came to light. But I still wonder if this is all that we should know or it's a lot more. Tons of horse meat are coming from outside E.U. (Mexico and Canada were brought up, Arab countries anyone? they have horses too )...and I started to suspect that replacing beef with horse it's an older practice, and they were only discovered now.

I will become a vegetarian from now on. Or buy my own pig and chickens and grow them in my garden..
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Spanghero denies it ( I think based on their website ):

http://a-la-table-de-spanghero.fr/

Wiki entry about them
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Old 14.02.2013, 22:09
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Well...you can start blaming the French now

After you apologize to the Romanians
Please refer to post#1, at the head of this thread:

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Apologies to our Romanian members, as this is nothing personal, but ....... but it appears that criminal gangs have been passing off horsemeat as beef for processed meat products - that may (or may not) have originated from Romania, due to a new law banning horse-drawn carts and wagons from the streets of Romania ...... resulting in too many old nags.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21401111
....... and the British have been blaming the French for most things that are wrong in the world since even before Agincourt; I just thought a change was due.
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Old 14.02.2013, 22:14
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Another key suspect is Draap.

Guardian UK

Draap spelled backwards is the Dutch word for horse.

Their director Jan Fasen was earlier convicted in 2012 for deliberately marketing South American horsemeat as halal-slaughtered Dutch beef and falsifying documents.

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....... and the British have been blaming the French for most things that are wrong in the world since even before Agincourt; I just thought a change was due.
No worries... we have no friends and we know it.
Too bad some of our peasants are so darn reluctant to use those old Dacias to pick up their grass, hay and straws from the fields nearby, and they're still fond of using those horse-drawn carts and wagons...
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Old 14.02.2013, 23:19
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When I first lived in the UK, I couldn't believe people were buying and eating 'Puke a pie' - and thought they must contain pretty dodgy stuff
Compared to the various other substances regularly entering our bodies when I was at university, Pukka Pie night was like going to a bloody health farm!
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Putting horsemeat into lasagna gives people a foal stomach.
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Their director Jan Fasen was earlier convicted in 2012 for deliberately marketing South American horsemeat as halal-slaughtered Dutch beef and falsifying documents.
I'm sick of corporate officials receiving fines that are just a cost of doing business; it's time to bring in Japanese-style prisons for corporate officials who involve their companies in corrupt practices...

If you want to know what Japanese prisons are like, there is a National Geo episode of Locked Up Abroad that depicts them well.
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Another key suspect is Draap.

Guardian UK

Draap spelled backwards is the Dutch word for horse.

Their director Jan Fasen was earlier convicted in 2012 for deliberately marketing South American horsemeat as halal-slaughtered Dutch beef and falsifying documents.

....wonder how many illegalities, crimes and faults have been attributed to Romania when it clearly was not the case....the bigger the lies and speculations, the more likely they quickly swallow them...(nothing is more insufferable than people who think they "got" a country only because they read Daily Mail) ...Millions, billions of Romanian horses "infecting" all the honest beef meat across Europe, oh no, wait, entire planet...
Sometimes I wonder..is there a limit to stupidity?
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Old 15.02.2013, 08:05
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

At last some good news (and no jokes!)

The vetinary product used as an anti-inflammatory drug for horses is known as "Bute" and has been found in some horse carcasses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21455419

Last night on British TV news England's chief medical officer Prof Dame Sally Davies stated that while Bute is not to be recommended, you would need to eat 600 horse burgers in one day to receive any effect from Bute

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21461981
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Focus switched to :

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/14/wo...rse-meat-probe
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I'm sick of corporate officials receiving fines that are just a cost of doing business; it's time to bring in Japanese-style prisons for corporate officials who involve their companies in corrupt practices...

If you want to know what Japanese prisons are like, there is a National Geo episode of Locked Up Abroad that depicts them well.
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Or maybe just apply the rules that Pharma companies have to live by. Currently jail time for CEOs for breach of compliance... Funny how pharma is always the bad guy, maybe things like things will make people rethink... but I doubt it.

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It was only a matter of time!!!

A woman has been taken into hospital after eating horse meat burgers from
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Her condition is said to be stable.
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

How does this story keep getting top billing on all UK news bulletins. I accept if you label something as beef it should be beef, but some of language used is so over the top, for e.g. now "criminal gangs" are supply horsing.
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How does this story keep getting top billing on all UK news bulletins. I accept if you label something as beef it should be beef, but some of language used is so over the top, for e.g. now "criminal gangs" are supply horsing.
Illegal? that tends to mean criminal.

Gang? I think it is deemed that the horsemeat is not being put into the foodchain by just one person.

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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

What above was named "British" has become a European horsemeat scandal. I only once, due to a mistake at Coop and an error of mine, got horsemeat. I only after having had it on the grill realized the odd flavour and retained the packing from the rubbish. And threw the whole stuff away. The meat from those noble animals is baaaad ! THIS really is why the suppliers have to sell it at low prices and using al diry tricks. It apparently is fairly easy to sell cat-meat as rabbit meat, and explains why so many cats in the 1950ies simply disappeared
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It apparently is fairly easy to sell cat-meat as rabbit meat, and explains why so many cats in the 1950ies simply disappeared
I would have thought they taste quite different - cats being on a meat and mik diet, and rabbits just munching on vegetation. I thought cats woud probaby taste more like pork.

I have also just got the vision of someone going to buy a skinned rabbit and being told, "This is the special short eared breed of rabbit. Top quality."
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