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Without this scandal, I would never have felt an irresistible hunger for eating horse meat. I did a horse moussaka. Now I'm done with the topic. Next!
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Without this scandal, I would never have felt an irresistible hunger for eating horse meat. I did a horse moussaka. Now I'm done with the topic. Next!
You're not the only one. Apparently horse meat sales are up in Switzerland *

*Horse meat labelled as such rather than Co-op Beef lasagnes.
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I slowly start wondering which animals (especially the ones that are generally not kept in farms) we can find in processed meat.
It feels a bit like having Noah's arc, lots of diseases and most antibiotics to kill them.
Have been wondering the same thing, especially given the stray dog problem in Romania.
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

For arguments sakes lets say that horse entrecote has the same price (from Daves Budget Abbatoir) as cow testicle.

You put one in your burger and you have a 100% beef - you put the other and you don't.

Which one would you rather eat though?
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For arguments sakes lets say that horse entrecote has the same price (from Daves Budget Abbatoir) as cow testicle.

You put one in your burger and you have a 100% beef - you put the other and you don't.

Which one would you rather eat though?
Leaving aside the horse meat for the moment.

I think a lot of people are under the misconception that when they're buying their 100% beef burger, they're getting something like Beef entrecote, minced up.
The reality is very, very different.

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For arguments sakes lets say that horse entrecote has the same price (from Daves Budget Abbatoir) as cow testicle.

You put one in your burger and you have a 100% beef - you put the other and you don't.
Actually, neither case will give you 100% beef, as offal and other meat by-products are not 'beef'.

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For arguments sakes lets say that horse entrecote has the same price (from Daves Budget Abbatoir) as cow testicle.

You put one in your burger and you have a 100% beef - you put the other and you don't.

Which one would you rather eat though?
If someone buys a product that is labelled as beef then it is beef they should get, regardless of the quality of the beef.
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If someone buys a product that is labelled as beef then it is beef they should get, regardless of the quality of the beef.
And they got beef. Where is the problem?

Did it say on the box does not contain horse, rat, pigeon, cat, dog, hedgehog, fox, panda, snake, antelope, parrot, aardvark, dodo..........

Anyone paying £1 for 8 burgers is delusional if they think they are getting minced prime 21 days aged angus fillet.

Horse meat has most probably been in the burgers for a decade (at some % or another) - no one has died (or gone onto win the grand national) because of it - but oh my, it really is worth turning it into the biggest catastrophe to hit the UK in 60 years (including England not making it to the World Cup finals)??

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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

I find it even more shocking to find pork in meat than to find horse meat in beef meat. Not only you have a total dishonesty to the customers by lying on the product you sell but with the pork, you have a total disrespect of customers religious beliefs.

I am happy to know all of this now as I will certainly be even more strict about eating out. I wasn't to much concerned about what I buy in the grocery store as I read the ingredients and buy fresh food instead to already prepared meal.

I got caught this weekend with a chicken soup I bought few weeks back and yesterday I found out in the ingredients that it was made also with pork.

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And they got beef. Where is the problem?

Did it say on the box does not contain horse, rat, pigeon, cat, dog, hedgehog, fox, panda, snake, antelope, parrot, aardvark, dodo..........

Anyone paying £1 for 8 burgers is delusional if they think they are getting minced prime 21 days aged angus fillet.

Horse meat has most probably been in the burgers for a decade (at some % or another) - no one has died (or gone onto win the grand national) because of it - but oh my, it really is worth turning it into the biggest catastrophe to hit the UK in 60 years (including England not making it to the World Cup finals)??

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Mum says you are what you eat, so if I eat this Tesco Burger will I be hung like a horse?
Firstly the joke.....................

As I said regardless of the quality it should contain be beef and not any other type of meat, if it does it should be clearly labelled.

BTW, for me, the fact it does contain horse meat does not bother me in the slightest, what bothers me is that companies are cutting corners to make profit yet the consumer pays the same price.

It is illegal what they are doing, that's the issue.
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I find it even more shocking to find pork in meat than to find horse meat in beef meat. Not only you have a total dishonesty to the customers by lying on the product you sell but with the pork, you have a total disrespect of customers religious beliefs.
Only if the food is sold as halal or kosher.

Otherwise, the issue is identical to that of horsemeat and beef.
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BTW, for me, the fact it does contain horse meat does not bother me in the slightest, what bothers me is that companies are cutting corners to make profit yet the consumer pays the same price.

It is illegal what they are doing, that's the issue.
Firstly legality - yes it is illegal, and yes they should be punished.

However we do enter a chicken and egg situation - did the companies first offer 8 burgers for a £1 or did consumers push for cheaper and cheaper meat products?

The fact that these burgers contain meat from Romania should be ringing alarm bells - whether that meat is cow, horse or leopard.

The situation will not get better because of the testing - animals (cows) will be kept and slaughtered in worse conditions; the shelf price will increase AND there is no guarantee that a whole load of other animals won't be entering the food chain.

"There is a reason you don't find rats in abattoir!"

Every second of every day somebody is making a buck our of exploiting someone/something else - I certainly didn't expect the meat processing industry to be any different.
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I love some of the quotes coming out over the weekend.

"We don't test for hedgehog either" was one of my favourites.

Lets be honest, the amount of money people are spending on "Meat" what the hell did they expect to find in their food??

Meanwhile, here in Switzerland, 300grams of high quality, locally sourced, minced beef (from a cow) can be had for <7chf - and is absolutely delicious.
About "300grams of high quality, locally sourced, minced beef (from a cow) can be had for <7chf "

Looking at the stories in today's Swiss papers it seems many meat products here cannot be trusted to contain exactly what is on the label.

Quite funny when one of the local papers (Sunday Blick) ran an article yesterday about how people should only eat safe Swiss certified food & not eat the foreign food that is imported under the Cassis Dijon rule.
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Firstly legality - yes it is illegal, and yes they should be punished.

However we do enter a chicken and egg situation - did the companies first offer 8 burgers for a £1 or did consumers push for cheaper and cheaper meat products?

The fact that these burgers contain meat from Romania should be ringing alarm bells - whether that meat is cow, horse or leopard.

The situation will not get better because of the testing - animals (cows) will be kept and slaughtered in worse conditions; the shelf price will increase AND there is no guarantee that a whole load of other animals won't be entering the food chain.

"There is a reason you don't find rats in abattoir!"

Every second of every day somebody is making a buck our of exploiting someone/something else - I certainly didn't expect the meat processing industry to be any different.


Lets go back to what I asked (including Toms interpretation) you before.

You buy a cheap car, believing its a BMW, 6 months later you discover its a Lada with a BMW body kit, would that be ok or would that not be acceptable and you would feel you have been taken for granted by the person that sold you the car?
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The fact that these burgers contain meat from Romania should be ringing alarm bells
No more so than if it was sourced anywhere else in the common market, surely?
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Lets go back to what I asked (including Toms interpretation) you before.

You buy a cheap car, believing its a BMW, 6 months later you discover its a Lada with a BMW body kit, would that be ok or would that not be acceptable and you would feel you have been taken for granted by the person that sold you the car?
My point was that you did not seem concerned about whether your BMW (100% Beef burger) was actually a Lada (100% sh*t) but were concerned that the engine was not a 3L (100% beef), but a 2.5L (contained some horse).

Of course it's wrong that horse is sold as beef but it amazes me that people are making such a beef about this when, IMO, the real tragedgy is the state of the industrial meat production, the complex and dodgy supply chain and the end product being such low-grade food (and the consumer not really caring, or understanding).
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The fact that these burgers contain meat from Romania should be ringing alarm bells - whether that meat is cow, horse or leopard.
This is exactly what half of Europe is saying about Britain since the mad cow disease. Do you find that fair to the British farmers? Or even fair to the actual meat being produced in the UK? I don't.

If this scandal made something very clear, it's the following: The Romanians were actually the only one in this story to label clearly and honestly what they were selling.
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No more so than if it was sourced anywhere else in the common market, surely?
A BBC reporter went to a Romanian abatoir hoping to get a juicy story about filth and rusty machinery but instead, he was amazed to find a spotless and modern establishment with which he couldn't find fault.
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Lets go back to what I asked (including Toms interpretation) you before.

You buy a cheap car, believing its a BMW, 6 months later you discover its a Lada with a BMW body kit, would that be ok or would that not be acceptable and you would feel you have been taken for granted by the person that sold you the car?
How about we make it a more realistic comparison?

You buy a Porsche Cayenne with a headrest mounted rear entertainment system. When it goes wrong you find out it isn't actually a Porsche fitted system. (I think the EF audience can relate better to that sort of comparison).

Seriously though - if I was offered a 2009 BMW 335i imported from Romania for 9,900chf (unfallfrei) I'd know it was really a Dacia Sendero - no matter how many BMW badges were on it.

You, me and most of the intelligent people in this world would use quotation marks when talk of value "beef" burgers. And so, once again, more legislation is going to be passed, more levels of bureaucracy added and for what - Sir Humphrey - so the benefit scroungers who give nothing to society can eat meat! What do you say to that?

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If this scandal made something very clear, it's the following: The Romanians were actually the only one in this story to label clearly and honestly what they were selling.
.... and it is hardly their fault that the "farm animals" page of their romanian to english picture dictionary had the animals wrongly labelled.
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.... and it is hardly their fault that the "farm animals" page of their romanian to english picture dictionary had the animals wrongly labelled.
Your avatar shows that you are indeed an expert on right labeling...
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