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Old 18.02.2013, 15:29
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How about we make it a more realistic comparison?

You buy a Porsche Cayenne with a headrest mounted rear entertainment system. When it goes wrong you find out it isn't actually a Porsche fitted system. (I think the EF audience can relate better to that sort of comparison).

Seriously though - if I was offered a 2009 BMW 335i imported from Romania for 9,900chf (unfallfrei) I'd know it was really a Dacia Sendero - no matter how many BMW badges were on it.

You, me and most of the intelligent people in this world would use quotation marks when talk of value "beef" burgers. And so, once again, more legislation is going to be passed, more levels of bureaucracy added and for what - Sir Humphrey - so the benefit scroungers who give nothing to society can eat meat! What do you say to that?

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I take exception to that!!! I quite liked the odd Findus Lasagne

I understand what you are saying but again, regardless of cost/quality if it says beef it should be beef.
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Old 18.02.2013, 15:36
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I take exception to that!!! I quite liked the odd Findus Lasagne

I understand what you are saying but again, regardless of cost/quality if it says beef it should be beef.
And it did (albeit a lower amount than the legally required amount)

You can bet that 12 months down the line the consumer will not be receiving a better quality product because of this scandal.

If you name a product economy beef burger it must be 62% "beef". Chicken it is closer to 50%.

What about an economy burger?

I get the uproar - I do. And someone should "pay" for the scandal - I just have a sneaking suspicion it won't be anyone who should.
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Old 18.02.2013, 15:53
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Seriously though - if I was offered a 2009 BMW 335i imported from Romania for 9,900chf (unfallfrei) I'd know it was really a Dacia Sendero - no matter how many BMW badges were on it.
W h a t don't you u n d e r s t a n d?
The horse meat was labelled "horse meat" and they sold it as such. They are free to sell whatever they please, it's legally done and someone wants to buy it.
Belgium, Poland and other countries too export horse meat. Some people find it good and it's even part of the traditional cuisine in a few countries - Italy, France etc.
Perhaps you forgot to read your daily
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...l-Butcher.html

Btw, pleeease spare us your prejudices, you only prove you're thick.
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Old 18.02.2013, 16:17
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Only if the food is sold as halal or kosher.

Otherwise, the issue is identical to that of horsemeat and beef.
Well of course. And that's my point. Donerci sell their Doners as being halal. Now if you find pork in it...
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Well of course. And that's my point. Donerci sell their Doners as being halal. Now if you find pork in it...
I have seen reports that they found lamb in a doner kebab in Stockport.

How outrageous is that?

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I have seen reports that they found lamb in a doner kebab in Stockport.

How outrageous is that?

(Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me etc)
Childish a bit?

Lamb isn't haram, pork is. Halal isn't just about how the animal has been killed but also if it is safe to eat because the meat has been stay cleared of any pork (on the meat, the table, the knife, etc)
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Old 18.02.2013, 17:03
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Lamb isn't haram, pork is.
Most lamb is haram.
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Old 18.02.2013, 22:09
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

This is what OP wrote on 15.01.2013 on another thread, long before meat horse scandal started

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Both UK and Ireland have a long tradition of horse racing - not everyone's a winner.

Old nags end up in Chappie and Pal; thoroughbreds end up as supermarket ready-meals.
Oh, the irony...

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Apologies to our Romanian members, as this is nothing personal, but ....... but
Nothing personal indeed. Liar.

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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Nestle have found horse in their Buitoni beef products, apparently coming from Germany

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21501568

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Nestle have found beef in their Buitoni beef products
Beef in the beef! Where's the beef?
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Old 19.02.2013, 02:55
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Beef in the beef! Where's the beef?
Oops! Corrected it now
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Old 19.02.2013, 08:15
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

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Both UK and Ireland have a long tradition of horse racing - not everyone's a winner.

Old nags end up in Chappie and Pal; thoroughbreds end up as supermarket ready-meals.
Oh, the irony...

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Apologies to our Romanian members, as this is nothing personal, but ....... but
Nothing personal indeed. Liar.
Call me obtuse (as opposed to a liar, maybe), but I'm struggling to see the connection, and what conclusions you think you are drawing, especially as one of the above quotes was made in jest ....... apart from two things, possibly:

- some people inherently have chips on their shoulders;

- I have incredible vision.
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Call me obtuse (as opposed to a liar, maybe), but I'm struggling to see the connection, and what conclusions you think you are drawing, especially as one of the above quotes was made in jest ....... apart from two things, possibly:
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You still play naive, aren't you?

Well, it seems you had some clues that the "British horsemeat scandal" could actually originate in your very island, but you still started this thread in a very offensive manner, focusing your guns on Romania, when you clearly didn't bring up into discussion any reliable info but only succulent anecdotes just for the sake of stirring the pot a little bit...and reiterating stereotypes.

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Old 19.02.2013, 12:34
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

One point that I don't think has been mentioned (apologies if I missed it).

As this has become an almost worldwide issue involving so many companies, how can it have been going on without anyone knowing? I feel sure that there must have been many people 'in the know'. Perhaps they kept quiet as they were making so much from it.

If there has been such a widespread cover up, how high up could this go?
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One point that I don't think has been mentioned (apologies if I missed it).

As this has become an almost worldwide issue involving so many companies, how can it have been going on without anyone knowing? I feel sure that there must have been many people 'in the know'. Perhaps they kept quiet as they were making so much from it.

If there has been such a widespread cover up, how high up could this go?

The "system" is designed in such a way that it can't be easily controlled, while everybody is obligated to maintain a large paper-trail on every fart and deal with an enormous amount of red-tape.
Yet, at the same time, due to the many layers of administration, there is ultimately no one responsible.
That is what makes me sick about "Europe": absolutely no accountability at no level. It's almost Kafka-esque.

If you lean back a minute and think about it, you will realize that this is not the last scandal that is going to hit the press. I think it's a given that pretty much every sector of the food industry (in Europe and world-wide) works like this. We've even seen it in CH (remember the meat that had passed the sell-date and was taken out of the plastic packaging, marinated and sold as "fresh"?).
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Old 19.02.2013, 14:33
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You still play naive, aren't you?

Well, it seems you had some clues that the "British horsemeat scandal" could actually originate in your very island, but you still started this thread in a very offensive manner, focusing your guns on Romania, when you clearly didn't bring up into discussion any reliable info but only succulent anecdotes just for the sake of stirring the pot a little bit...and reiterating stereotypes.



Yeah, right.
I may be many things, but naive isn't one of them.

I give up, as you seem determined to shoot the messenger. If you're still trying to link a tongue-in-cheek post, with a another I made following a BBC news report (which was accurate at time of airing), then so be it; but it does appear that you're on a one man crusade to protect your heritage against the rest of the world.

What I suggest, is click on the number of posts made on this thread, then find my username from the pop-up box and click on the number opposite that.
Then you can re-read what I've written, so that I don't have to keep repeating myself, until the message gets through.

...... either that, or hop on the next brightly coloured horse-drawn caravan, headed east.

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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Just wondering - has anyone seen info regarding Migros, Denner, Aldi, etc.? I know Coop has been very proactive in testing and removing products since the scandal broke, but what about the others? Surely they use some of the same suppliers? Maybe I missed it in 17 pages of posts??
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Just wondering - has anyone seen info regarding Migros, Denner, Aldi, etc.? I know Coop has been very proactive in testing and removing products since the scandal broke, but what about the others? Surely they use some of the same suppliers? Maybe I missed it in 17 pages of posts??
Aldi in the UK had some problems. I haven't seen anything about them elsewhere. Based on the number of incidents so far, it seems likely that others will show up.
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...... either that, or hop on the next brightly coloured horse-drawn caravan, headed east.
With this unnecessary malicious comment (and you actually had more comments like this), you really proved my point. You weren't up for a honest discussion, which a subject like this really deserved, you just wanted to stir the pot. And actually didn't apologize.
I go only by plane, and at my desire.

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..... but it does appear that you're on a one man crusade to protect your heritage against the rest of the world..
Whereas you appear to protect your internet persona...and online dignity.

From all this scandal, everything that will truly remain is that (again) the Romanians tricked the whole Europe into consuming horsemeat.
Challenge that, messenger.
If you don't see any problems here, I give up. I give up anyway, this subject has become boring.

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Just wondering - has anyone seen info regarding Migros, Denner, Aldi, etc.? I know Coop has been very proactive in testing and removing products since the scandal broke, but what about the others? Surely they use some of the same suppliers? Maybe I missed it in 17 pages of posts??

There is a list for Germany:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/ser...-a-884325.html



The BAG maintains a list of recalls:
http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/leben...x.html?lang=de

But you won't find the horse-meat pasta there, because technically, there is no "recall" because the products are not deemed dangerous enough....

And they haven't really started testing sausages....and don't get me started on "Leberkäse/Fleischkäse"....
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