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Old 20.02.2013, 11:25
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

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Lamb isn't haram, pork is. Halal isn't just about how the animal has been killed but also if it is safe to eat because the meat has been stay cleared of any pork (on the meat, the table, the knife, etc)
So I guess that this isn't halal:



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Old 20.02.2013, 12:19
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So I guess that this isn't halal:



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A pigeon?
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Old 20.02.2013, 12:42
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

I didn't actually think there would be any harm in eating Horse meat lasagna... until I saw this photo.

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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Dutch trader could be central figure
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(Jan) Fasen was sentenced in January 2012 for deliberately marketing South American horsemeat as halal-slaughtered Dutch beef and falsifying documents...
Jan Fasen on LinkedIn (picture below) (doesn't say what he was doing before 2007)

Horsemeat scandal linked to secret network of firms
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Draap's sole director is an anonymous corporate services company called Guardstand... Guardstand also owned a share in a business called Ilex Ventures, a connection that links the company to the global arms trade and Viktor Bout...known as the "merchant of death", who last April was sentenced to 25 years in jail for arms smuggling... who owns Guardstand and why Draap employs it as a director is a mystery that is likely to be studied closely by fraud investigators...
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Old 20.02.2013, 16:11
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I didn't actually think there would be any harm in eating Horse meat lasagna... until I saw this photo.


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Old 22.02.2013, 13:51
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

I had a thought about this from a different angle today. As well as the clear fraud cases, are there any comparisons between horsemeat in beef and the common labelling of products as 'may contain nuts'?

Some of the samples of beef tested have only contained small amounts of horse meat. Could it be that there are places legitimately handling beef and horse who don't have adequate ways to keep the two meats separate at various stages of the processing?

If so, could we in future see labelling such as 'may contain traces of horse meat' or 'produced in a factory that also handles horses' on beef products?
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Old 22.02.2013, 14:15
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Wouldn't be surprise now. But it's not really going to be enough for the products that were over 50% horse! May 'contain traces of beef' could be a viable alternative
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Old 22.02.2013, 14:24
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Wouldn't be surprise now. But it's not really going to be enough for the products that were over 50% horse! May 'contain traces of beef' could be a viable alternative
The 50% plus ones must have been deliberate fraud. I was thinking about the ones showing up to around 1% horse.
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Old 22.02.2013, 15:16
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Nuts or even a trace of nuts can cause an anaphylactic reaction in people allergic to certain nuts.

A trace of horse meat won't do that.
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Old 22.02.2013, 15:30
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Nuts or even a trace of nuts can cause an anaphylactic reaction in people allergic to certain nuts.

A trace of horse meat won't do that.
Eating a product that you didn't expect to may cause serious reactions though, admittedly, not fatal.

Eating non-halal meat would be a good example of that.

My point was not really about the health implications, more that is some of this inevitable with modern processed foods.

There are regulations in place regarding the permitted amounts of insects and other contaminants in food. Should the same exist for meats?
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Old 22.02.2013, 15:45
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Eating a product that you didn't expect to may cause serious reactions though, admittedly, not fatal.

Eating non-halal meat would be a good example of that.

My point was not really about the health implications, more that is some of this inevitable with modern processed foods.

There are regulations in place regarding the permitted amounts of insects and other contaminants in food. Should the same exist for meats?
If they did do that then Halal meats would only come from Halal abatoirs and, according to recent testing, processed meat product labels would look something like this:

100% Beef
May contain traces of:

Pork
Lamb
Chicken
Horse
Duck
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Old 22.02.2013, 16:09
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..... May contain traces of:

Pork
Lamb
Chicken
Horse
Duck
AS I understand, they only know about particular species that they test for, so unless they test for donkey or rats, for instance, they wouldn't know if it was in there. I suppose the only option would be 'may contain traces of other animals'
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Horse meat scandal still expanding.........one has to be patient.


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Old 25.02.2013, 00:15
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Seeing the sign for this abbatoir it is, perhaps, not surprising that people jumped to conclusions that they may be to blame.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21436257
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Old 25.02.2013, 13:35
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Horse balls in Ikea

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddr...meatballs.html
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Seeing the sign for this abbatoir it is, perhaps, not surprising that people jumped to conclusions that they may be to blame.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21436257
Because people don't quite understand what "abbatoir" means or...? I don't see any relevance of a sign for an abbatoir for cows and horses so people would jump to conclusions. Neah......doesn't hold the water.
It was easy to quickly fuel a scandal and find a scapegoat in order to cover up things that happen for long in the food industry....and that is not because of mafia or whatever. Last time I checked mafia specialized in drugs, prostitution and human traficking.
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Ho did they notice? Were they suddenly twice as big?
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Ikea has withdrawn meatballs from sale in 14 European countries after tests in the Czech Republic found traces of horsemeat in a batch made in Sweden.
Meatballs from the same batch had been sold in many states, including the UK, France and Portugal, the retailer said.
Swiss food giant Nestle meanwhile said it had found horse DNA in meat from the Spanish supplier, Servocar.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21569645
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Old 25.02.2013, 19:21
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

This table shows the details of tests across Europe, by store and product

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21412590
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