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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Romania

This may sound self righteous, but what do you expect when you're paying 99p for a frozen lasagne? It will be made with cheapest, worst quality meat.. and to be honest, it doesn't matter whether its cow or horse entrails. Anyway if there is one positive outcome from this scandal, its that local butchers are seeing a boom in business as customers lose trust in mass produced meat products.
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This may sound self righteous, but what do you expect when you're paying 99p for a frozen lasagne? It will be made with cheapest, worst quality meat.. and to be honest, it doesn't matter whether its cow or horse entrails. Anyway if there is one positive outcome from this scandal, its that local butchers are seeing a boom in business as customers lose trust in mass produced meat products.
Let's say you have a family with a low income and live in the UK, these frozen meals are a blessing (cheap c. £2-£3, readymade, OK taste). The equivalent made fresh and from scratch would cost you easily £10-£15m plus you would have to take the time to make it and know how to do it.

I blame the supermarkets. Look at Tesco, Carrefour, etc, these are multi million (some billion) dollar companies, can they not send ONE person to check what they're buying?

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Lasagne is dirt simple to make, my daughter's been doing it since she was 10 (if not earlier)!

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Environment Secretary Owen Paterson said "nothing seen so far presented a health risk".

Mr Paterson, who is to update MPs later on the latest developments, said it looked as if an "extensive" criminal conspiracy may have taken place.
Legal action is set to begin in continental Europe on Monday, he added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21406653

So why are some EF members complaining about people who are simply stating what the BBC is reporting, which it does with some authority?

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Old 11.02.2013, 12:05
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Lasagne is dirt simple to make, my daughter's been doing it since she was 10 (if not earlier)!

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You're a lucky parent! Lasagne isn't that easy or quick to make! I will tell my 13 year old to buck up!

My point is only that there are many families in the UK struggling to make ends meet (meat) and these frozen lasagnes seemed like a good time saving idea.
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Lasagne isn't that easy or quick to make!
Yes, it is.

First, make the Bolognese the night before.

Then, make the bechamel, assemble, and pop in the oven.

Easy.

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My point is only that there are many families in the UK struggling to make ends meet (meat) and these frozen lasagnes seemed like a good time saving idea.
The same problem is rampant in the US, and increasingly to some extent here. Things are dirt cheap for a reason. Every consumer has choices, you can have shit quality meat and prepackaged junk 7 days a week, or good quality meat for 2 days a week and some healthy, cheap vegetables, leagumes, and grains for the other 5 days and your grocery bills will remain the same, if not decrease substantially.
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Things are dirt cheap for a reason.
Ever wonder why, despite meat being so expensive in Switzerland, kebabs are relatively cheap? I certainly do.
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Ever wonder why, despite meat being so expensive in Switzerland, kebabs are relatively cheap? I certainly do.
I don't need to wonder, I never eat it.

I'm perfectly happy to eat offal and natural fillers in sausage and what not, I just don't trust certain countries and companies when it comes to antiobiotics, additives, and animal welfare, and that list of countries and companies is huge and gets bigger every day.
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You're a lucky parent! Lasagne isn't that easy or quick to make! I will tell my 13 year old to buck up!

My point is only that there are many families in the UK struggling to make ends meet (meat) and these frozen lasagnes seemed like a good time saving idea.
People have the choice to do what they want with their time.

With all the labour-saving devices we all now have, people should have enough time to cook food from fresh ingredients. It doesn't take as long as people think.

If you want to do it even easier - make pasta al forno instead of lasagne.

And, I think your costings in your previous thread are wrong. Making it yourself isn't that expensive - especially if you make a lot.
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People have the choice to do what they want with their time.

With all the labour-saving devices we all now have, people should have enough time to cook food from fresh ingredients. It doesn't take as long as people think.

If you want to do it even easier - make pasta al forno instead of lasagne.

And, I think your costings in your previous thread are wrong. Making it yourself isn't that expensive - especially if you make a lot.
There are many families in the UK earning very little with 2 parents working, these ready made meals are / were pretty efficient
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Yes, it is.

First, make the Bolognese the night before.

Then, make the bechamel, assemble, and pop in the oven.

Easy.

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and your daughter can do all this by herself? If so welldone!
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Romania

Actually my daughter does that and she is 13. She has cooking classes in school and since then we have been eating all kind of goodies


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Let's say you have a family with a low income and live in the UK, these frozen meals are a blessing (cheap c. £2-£3, readymade, OK taste). The equivalent made fresh and from scratch would cost you easily £10-£15m plus you would have to take the time to make it and know how to do it.

I blame the supermarkets. Look at Tesco, Carrefour, etc, these are multi million (some billion) dollar companies, can they not send ONE person to check what they're buying?
£10 to £15 - where on earth do you get those figures??? Cooking from fresh, if you are a bit clever about it - always costs much less and you know what goes in! When kids were young I made lasagna or bolognese with less than 1 pound of mincemeat, and added lots of veg to bulk up, including half a cup of small lentils and always had plenty left over for baked potatoes the next day. And NO it does not take ages to cook. Same for stews, homemade 'burgers' (always added some oats and an egg to go further too) takes minutes to make. Etc, etc. If I am in a hurry I'll make the white sauce for the lasagna with milk and cornflour, adding herbs + seasoning - cheaper and very quick.

Tesco, Lidl, Aldi, sell what the consumer wants. So at the end of the day, the average consumer 'us' I suppose are to blame. If you buy 2 large chickens for a fiver from Tesco, you must have a good inkling that the husbandry, feed, quality is rubbish.

So many here complain at the price of Swiss meat- and yes, as a Brit (Swiss too) retired here, it irks at times - but perhaps now some people will begin to understand why. Much much rather eat less meat of good quality, husbandry, no antibiotics and additive, short transport, good feeds, etc - and be clever at making it go further. Boil the chicken carcass with veg to make stock to risotto the next day, etc. My daughter and sil both work VERY full time, and yet manage to find the time to feed their kids good quality food. Int he UK, the 2 for 1 offers result in huge waste, as people can't resist them- and then don't pre-cook/freeze, so end up throwing away tons of it. I once went to Tesco and bought a big bag of tangerines- when I got to the till the cashier said 'it is 2 for 1, go and get another bag' - and couldn't understand when I said 'there is only 2 of us so it will go off and be wasted'. Other times I did take up 2 for 1 and either cooked/froze or dropped the other bag at a friend's who has children.

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There are many families in the UK earning very little with 2 parents working, these ready made meals are / were pretty efficient
I'm in a family where both parents work. We seem to manage.

As others have said, make the Bolognese the night before. We do it whilst cooking another meal.
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and your daughter can do all this by herself? If so welldone!
My son's been doing it for a couple of year's too and he's just gone 13. Under close supervision at first but he can make pretty much anything on his own these days. Coq au vin is his favourite thing to make at the moment.

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And these consumers who want these products at ridiculously low prices, what do they think goes into them? A bit of horse meat could well be the best bit of them!
That's not the point and you know it.

As for 'wanting' these products, they are all some customers can afford & they still have the same rights as anyone to know what they are made of - If they buy a product sold as containing beef, then they should be able to have faith in the system that that is what they are buying - just as I have faith in you that the farmhouse cheddar that I buy from you isn't just repackaged budget mild.

Blaming customers is ridiculous & frankly, I'd have expected better from you of all people.
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My point is only that there are many families in the UK struggling to make ends meet (meat) and these frozen lasagnes seemed like a good time saving idea.

What the frozen Lasagna is for UK families
is the Ravioli tin for Swiss families.
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Poor horses or donkeys! Anyways normally I don't want to know whats it my food. At least not these kind of things
No need to thank the Dutch for selling you Brits horsemeat
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